Ep 20 – What to Do if Your Office is Haunted, with Paranormal Investigator Richard Palmisano

Summary

Ghost investigator Richard Palmisano joins host Andy Walker to help him understand what to do if you suspect your workplace or office is haunted. Richard draws on more than 40 years of investigative experience to explain the types of hauntings businesses encounter, how to tell the difference between natural causes and true paranormal events, and what steps to take if your office seems “occupied.” The episode also explores his investigative methods, the psychology of spirits, how to safely handle encounters, and why most hauntings are rooted in unresolved human stories.

WooBiz+ Extended Episode

The extended WooBiz+ conversation dives into Richard’s most memorable cases, including hauntings inside businesses and private estates. He shares detailed accounts—from a pub with an upset resident spirit who reacted to being mocked to humorous moments involving child spirits. These behind-the-scenes stories reveal how investigators uncover the emotional histories behind hauntings, how spirits communicate, and how small behavioral changes in a business can de-escalate supernatural disturbances. Richard also talks about referrals, how he consults with groups around Canada, and why winter and holiday seasons often increase paranormal activity.

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Detailed Summary

Richard Palmisano joins the show as a veteran investigator and founder of The Searcher Group, Canada’s longest-running paranormal investigation team. Raised in two haunted homes, Richard began investigating at 18 and has been conducting fieldwork for more than four decades. He combines surveillance, law-enforcement training, and parapsychological methods to study hauntings for families, businesses, and municipalities, all at no charge.

He explains that most hauntings fall into three main categories:
• Tricksters, who hide items and create disturbances
• Spirits with a story to tell, trying to communicate unresolved events
• Spirits with a secret to guard, who can become disruptive when someone gets close to uncovering the truth

He emphasizes that harmful or “dark” entities do exist but are exceedingly rare—he has encountered only two in 46 years.

Richard outlines signs that a business might be experiencing a haunting: unexplained odors, electrical anomalies, temperature swings, shadow movement, pets behaving unusually, or interior alarms detecting motion without perimeter breaches. He stresses the importance of ruling out natural explanations first—calling a plumber, electrician, or technician—before assuming paranormal activity. If events persist, he recommends keeping a detailed log with dates, times, witnesses, and descriptions to identify patterns.

He warns against using smudging or inviting inexperienced mediums, noting that these approaches often worsen activity within three days—similar to “kicking out a patron who then returns angry.” Instead, respectful communication often helps: speaking aloud, acknowledging the presence, and asking the spirit to stop can calm 80 percent of cases. When activity escalates, a skilled investigator can help mediate, determine who the spirit is, and negotiate boundaries or encourage them to move on.

In the final segment, Andy asks Richard to preview the questions he asks businesses preparing to call him. Richard reiterates that detailed logs, witness accounts, and chronological records help him understand whether a spirit seeks attention, wants to share a story, or is trying to protect a secret. Knowing which employees are affected—and how—also provides crucial clues.

The conversation then shifts to Richard’s newest book, The Complete Paranormal Investigation Handbook, co-authored with Peter Rowe, and why he never charges for investigations. Richard provides his website, thesearchergroup.ca, and explains that his team operates purely for research, understanding, and community service.

The episode concludes with a teaser for WooBiz+ members, where Richard shares vivid, emotional, and sometimes humorous stories from his field investigations—including a pub poltergeist and a child spirit with a mischievous streak.

Richard Palmisano’s Website

https://thesearchergorup.ca

Richard’s latest book

The Complete Paranormal Investigation Handbook: A Comprehensive Guide for Ghost Hunters

Richard Palmisano’s Bio

Richard Palmisano is one of Canada’s most respected paranormal investigators, with more than four decades of frontline experience studying hauntings, unexplained phenomena, and anomalous events. Raised in a haunted home, Richard developed an early curiosity about the unseen forces that shape our world. At just 18, he founded The Searcher Group, which has since become Canada’s oldest active paranormal investigation organization.

Richard’s work blends intuitive field research with disciplined investigative practice. Over his 35-year career in law enforcement, security, and surveillance, he developed a rigorous, evidence-based approach to assessing paranormal claims. His team conducts investigations in private homes, businesses, and historic locations, offering support and guidance at no cost to those experiencing unexplained activity. The group is also known for developing new technologies, conducting parapsychology experiments, and advancing theoretical models of paranormal behavior.

Now retired from law enforcement, Richard works closely with historical societies and government agencies to document and interpret unusual events tied to Canada’s cultural and geographic history.

He is the author of several acclaimed books on Canadian hauntings, including:

• Overshadows: An Investigation into a Terrifying Modern Canadian Haunting
• Ghosts: An Investigation into a True Canadian Haunting
• Journeys Into the Unknown
• Ghosts of the Canadian National Exhibition
• Meeting Place of the Dead

His most recent book, The Complete Paranormal Investigation Handbook, co-authored with Peter J. Roe, was published in October 2025.

Additional resources

• Contact Richard via email at [email protected]

Transcript:

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[00:28] I’m not talking just quirky here. We’re talking footsteps in empty hallways,

[00:33] lights flickering for no reason,

[00:35] and that one room that nobody wants to enter.

[00:39] If you’ve ever wondered what you’re supposed to do when your office feels,

[00:44] let’s call it, occupied,

[00:46] you’re about to find out.

[00:48] Today we’re talking to a real ghost investigator who helps businesses figure out what’s behind the weird stuff and what to do next.

[00:57] That’s today on Woo Biz.

[01:17] Hello and welcome to another episode of Woo Bears.

[01:21] My name’s Andy Walker, and this is the show where we teach you all about extrasensory skills that you can use in business.

[01:30] So you might be an entrepreneur, you might be a business leader,

[01:33] an innovator, maybe a creative.

[01:36] And if so, then this show is for you.

[01:40] Today’s topic is something I’ve been wanting to do for a while.

[01:44] What do you do if you discover that your office is haunted?

[01:49] Who do you turn to?

[01:51] How do you know it really is a spirit and not just the pipes?

[01:55] Well, I have a treat for you. I found Canada’s top paranormal investigator.

[02:01] You’re just going to love this guy. He is incredible.

[02:05] Today we’re joined by Richard Palmes Sano, one of Canada’s most respected and longest practicing paranormal investigators.

[02:14] Raised in a haunted house, Richard’s interest in the unexplained began early.

[02:18] And at just 18, he founded the Searcher Group,

[02:21] now recognized as Canada’s oldest active paranormal investigation organization.

[02:27] For more than 40 years, Richard and his team have investigated hauntings,

[02:31] run parapsychology experiments,

[02:33] developed new technologies and theoretical models, and helped families and businesses experiencing disturbing activity,

[02:41] all at no charge.

[02:43] Richard’s credibility comes not only from experience,

[02:46] but from training.

[02:48] He spent over 35 years working in law enforcement, security and surveillance, bringing a disciplined investigative approach to every case he takes on.

[02:58] Today, in retirement, he works closely with historical societies and government agencies to document and understand paranormal events across Canada.

[03:08] He’s also the author of several influential books on Canadian hauntings, and his newest work, the Complete Paranormal Investigation Handbook,

[03:17] co authored with Peter J. Rowe, was published in October 2025.

[03:24] A quick note here.

[03:26] Richard’s Internet is a little light.

[03:29] He lives in a rural area just outside Toronto, Canada.

[03:32] And so at times, he fades out. I’ve done my best to cut around it. And so the episode is a little shorter today.

[03:40] That said, you can always go to the show [email protected] to see the full transcript and also to see all of his contact information if that’s not clear as well.

[03:50] For the most part, this interview is fantastic.

[03:52] And my apologies for the poor moments where it’s a little fuzzy.

[03:59] Hello, Richard.

[04:00] Welcome to the show.

[04:01] Richard Palmisano: Oh, thanks for having me. Pleasure to be here.

[04:04] Andy Walker: Yes,

[04:06] it’s, it’s really cool. When I came across your book, I’m like, I have to reach out to Richard.

[04:11] I mean, you have a quite a storied career. You, I think I read that you had been,

[04:18] you started your company, the Searcher Group,

[04:21] I think, when you were 19 or 18, somewhere like that.

[04:24] So what led you to kind of your interest in ghosts in general and then sort of your practice about, like, investigating?

[04:32] Because we’re going back a long time. This is long before it was fashionable, long before there was any TV shows about it. What,

[04:37] what got you engaged in this?

[04:40] Richard Palmisano: Right, So I was,

[04:43] I was born in a haunted house.

[04:46] Raised there,

[04:48] first eight years of my life, and then we moved to another haunted house.

[04:54] So I was used to the,

[04:55] you know, the creepy going ons and it, it scared me, but it really piqued my interest.

[05:01] And,

[05:02] and then when I was 18, I, I,

[05:04] I felt I was adult enough to jump into this and I started my company, the Searcher Group, in 1979. So 40, 46 years now, investigative work. I’ve done five books.

[05:18] My assistant director, Peter Rowe, and I,

[05:22] we, we did a, a book together, which is, it just came out in August of this year, the Complete Paranormal Investigation Handbook through Llewellyn in, in the.

[05:32] Andy Walker: US that, that’s, that’s the perfect timing, really, if you think about after 40 years of, or more than 40 years of a career,

[05:40] it must have been difficult to, to pack all of your knowledge from more than four decades into a, a single book, you know, a guidebook on how to do it.

[05:48] But that must have been, must have been real satisfying for you to do that, to actually, you know, take that body of work and consolidate into a single place.

[05:58] Richard Palmisano: It was,

[05:59] we really didn’t have a plan to do it. It’s just Covid happened,

[06:04] you know,

[06:05] places were closed off to us. We couldn’t go out and do field work. We couldn’t investigate things. So I suggested, hey,

[06:13] why don’t we do this book? And it was difficult.

[06:17] You know, there was constraints. I mean, we couldn’t do A six volume.

[06:23] So it is a, it’s a very in depth collection of information that will help you from start to finish doing the investigation, how to get access, how to get permission to do something,

[06:39] right down to the techniques and equipment you might want to use.

[06:43] Andy Walker: Do you category categorize the different types of hauntings? And, and if you, and if you did, can you,

[06:49] can you categorize them first here? What, what could we expect in any given particular haunting? What is it typically dead people? Can you, can you give me a characterization of the different types of hauntings we might want to expect?

[07:00] Richard Palmisano: Yeah, so that what we’re dealing with are the ghosts of the deceased. The, you know, they’re coming back and they’re,

[07:09] they’re hanging around, they’re doing their own thing.

[07:11] When you boil it down,

[07:12] basically have three types of spirits.

[07:15] The majority of people are dealing with one of these three, or maybe more than one of the three spirits types.

[07:25] And that would be,

[07:26] you know, the trickster.

[07:28] They like to play games,

[07:32] cause problems, hide your stuff,

[07:35] make noises.

[07:37] But then really the main two are usually one that has a story to tell.

[07:44] Something happened to them, it was a tragedy or whatever that story might be, and they really want to tell that story. So they’re trying to make communication with the living to tell that story.

[07:57] And then on the other side of the coin is the individual that has a secret to keep.

[08:04] They’ve done something that they don’t want exposed.

[08:08] That one is kind of quiet unless there’s a conflict. If you start looking into something that might expose that secret,

[08:16] you’re going to have a problem.

[08:18] If there’s,

[08:19] say, the victim and the perpetrator are haunting the same location, for example,

[08:25] now you’ve got one that wants to tell you what happened and one that wants to keep that secret. And that’s major conflict not only between them and the living, but them themselves are having that conflict.

[08:38] So that can really disrupt a business or a home because it’s almost like open warfare.

[08:47] And then we get a call and then we got to go sort it out.

[08:51] Andy Walker: What about negative entities? Do you see much of that at all? Or is that just folk lore or, or is that, is it a legitimate concern?

[08:59] Richard Palmisano: Yeah, that’s a, that’s a, that’s a tough one because,

[09:02] you know,

[09:03] what’s, what’s the different definition of a negative entity?

[09:07] So if you weren’t a good person in life,

[09:10] well, you’re not going to be a good person all of a sudden because you’re removed from the physical. You’re still going to be that person.

[09:16] Right. Whether you don’t like animals or you don’t. You don’t like women, or you were just hard to get along with, or you disliked everything,

[09:25] you’re still going to be that person,

[09:29] just not physical.

[09:30] So you’re probably not going to like the homeowners that moved into your house,

[09:34] probably not going to like the pets that are in your house. You don’t like the kids that are running around now. If you mean diabolical entities,

[09:42] what they. I guess I don’t know what the cool kids are calling it today.

[09:47] Demonic or dark energy that is extremely rare,

[09:53] and you’ll know if you come across one. There’s no doubt in your mind what you’ve stumbled on is extremely toxic. Thank goodness. They’re extremely. 46 years I’ve been doing this, I’ve seen two of them,

[10:07] and I don’t recommend it to anybody.

[10:10] Andy Walker: No. Not a good experience,

[10:13] is it? Does it really kind of get you in the core of your.

[10:17] Of your gut? Do you kind of feel it or what’s the experience of that?

[10:21] Richard Palmisano: Well,

[10:22] when you run into one of these things,

[10:25] it’s not so much feeling it. It’s.

[10:28] It’s a sustained problem.

[10:31] Attacks,

[10:32] disruptions.

[10:34] They’re sort of like a bulldog.

[10:36] Once they get a hold of you, they die in. Right. So it’s really, really, really difficult to shake it if. If you can.

[10:44] You know, I had my first instance with. With one of these things was so horrendous,

[10:49] it lasted two years.

[10:52] So I’m an author and it was so disturbing. I’ve never written about this for what it is.

[11:00] Andy Walker: It negatively impacted you psychologically. It’s just too difficult to even revisit.

[11:04] Richard Palmisano: Myself and everybody around me, you know, the family we’re trying to help with,

[11:09] wiped out.

[11:10] It didn’t, you know, didn’t go well,

[11:12] to say, you know, to say the.

[11:14] Andy Walker: Least for them, really. I mean, like the entity somehow caused them to. To flee or. Or meet their demise.

[11:22] Richard Palmisano: The family, as well as a lot of the people that tried.

[11:27] Andy Walker: Really?

[11:27] Richard Palmisano: Wow.

[11:28] Andy Walker: Wow. And that was in Toronto?

[11:29] Richard Palmisano: No, that was in southern Ontario. There’s a. Sadly, there’s another family living in that house right now. So. Yeah, I don’t know what’s going to happen.

[11:40] Andy Walker: Oh, my goodness,

[11:41] it’s terrifying.

[11:43] So what’s the most common experience then for somebody like,

[11:47] you know, we focus on business here. So what’s the most common haunting that you think that most businesses may encounter? Is this just sort of residual energy of some sort, or is it some Former employee or occupant of the building.

[11:59] What’s the most common?

[12:00] Richard Palmisano: Yeah, so it’s somebody that probably has a connection to that building, some emotional connection. Could be a past owner of the building,

[12:09] some business owner that was. Was there in the past. It could be a deceased employee just showing up for work.

[12:16] You know, that, that was her mindset, you know, gotta get to work. Gotta get to work. And they’re showing up at work, doing their thing once in a while that, that those sounds they’re making or their activity they’re doing is transcending from their reality into our reality.

[12:33] And we’re, you know, hearing the sounds and smelling something that’s, you know, maybe they’re. They’re aftershave or they’re. They’re having a cigarette in the lounge or.

[12:44] Yeah, it’s not uncommon.

[12:46] It’s sad to think that, you know,

[12:49] you come to the end of your life and then you go back to work.

[12:52] So that, that’s just.

[12:56] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[12:57] Richard Palmisano: Yeah.

[12:58] Andy Walker: Whatever happened to going to the light?

[13:00] Richard Palmisano: Well, yeah. Wow.

[13:02] That’s a. That’s a. That’s a tricky question, right?

[13:06] It’s a very tricky question.

[13:08] And, you know, it’s one I’ve. I’ve broached on various religious leaders out there.

[13:15] Catholic or Protestant or. Or Jewish.

[13:21] I’ve asked this question, and we’ve had deep discussions about it. You know, and every world. Religion believes that there’s heaven and hell,

[13:29] but they all agree there’s a judgment day.

[13:33] So how are you going anywhere?

[13:36] Judgment Day has never happened yet.

[13:38] So where are you until that time?

[13:41] Yeah. Right. So don’t say purgatory. But I.

[13:46] Andy Walker: So is this. Are they.

[13:48] Yeah,

[13:49] I was going to say. So, so then these are entities that haven’t quite. They don’t know to move on, or. They haven’t actually had their.

[13:59] Their due process after death. And they’re sort of in the sort of eternal waiting room. Is that, Is that the sense of what’s going on there? Or is that how you explain?

[14:08] Richard Palmisano: So I did create a theory,

[14:11] and,

[14:14] and it’s called. It’s called the memory matrix,

[14:17] and it creates a memory bubble. And that bubble is created from your memory. So when you die and you do life review, you pick a space or a time that was either the best of times or the worst of times,

[14:30] and you create a reality in that bubble, in that moment.

[14:35] And it’s.

[14:36] It’s real to you.

[14:38] It’s. It’s absolutely real to you. It seems physical.

[14:41] Anybody that you want to be in that reality with, you Being alive or dead is there through a facsimile that you create from those memories.

[14:51] And the ones that are in the happy space,

[14:54] we rarely hear from them. They’re, they’re so content that we, we as investigators never run across them. It’s the ones that go right to the end of their life.

[15:04] And you know, they were a victim or somebody, you know, marriage didn’t go well, or they, they lost a child or something terrible happened or some major event in their life drew them right to the very end.

[15:17] And those are the ones that are close to our reality. And again, it’s the, you know, it’s the one that has the story to tell or the secret to keep,

[15:25] or that mischievous person who likes to hide. Hide your car keys.

[15:30] So it’s pretty much in a nutshell. But how to tell if you’ve got something going on in your, say, your workplace or even your home?

[15:44] They’re the same signs. So you’re going to have feelings of being watched.

[15:48] The hair in the back of the neck, like, hey, somebody’s watching me and you’re the only one there at the time.

[15:54] Or there’s odd odors,

[15:56] the perfume smell or the cigar smoke or something like that. It just comes in and then gone.

[16:02] And you can detect those things,

[16:06] odd sounds,

[16:08] whispers, banging, or keep hearing doors closing when the doors aren’t closing and that’s just echoing out of their memory process.

[16:18] And we’re detecting and you might get lights that flicker on and off,

[16:23] be it bright white or a soft white. Whatever those bulbs are we’re using can change in an instant when there’s paranormal activity going on. And it might give a glow, a soft glow of either orange or yellow.

[16:39] And it’ll come and it’s weird when you see it, you’ll know it’s weird and then it’ll go back to white.

[16:46] So it may have something to do with their.

[16:49] If they’re producing electromagnetic field that might change that environment.

[16:54] You might also notice a rise in temperature or a drop in temperature, 10, 15 degrees, just instant comes in really quick. It’s either really cold or all of a sudden it gets really hot.

[17:07] And it’s short, usually short lived. And then it goes back to normal. Temperature could be an indication that you’ve got something like me,

[17:14] electronic devices acting up, not your computer,

[17:18] your TV things turning on and off by themselves might, well,

[17:23] you know, keep an eye on that sort of thing,

[17:27] seeing maybe shadows moving around.

[17:30] Especially when you’re peripheral, you get a lot of that. Somebody will see something moving. That’s black. Your periphery, you turn and it’s gone. It’s not there anymore.

[17:38] So that could be indicator,

[17:41] missing objects again. Right. The trickster pets acting strange.

[17:47] Maybe they’re cowering for some reason or they won’t eat, or there’s rooms they won’t go near. You know, they used to go all over the building or over the house.

[17:56] Now they don’t want to go in a specific room or something.

[17:59] If you have an alarm system and you’re getting an internal motion detector saying there’s something moving in the back, warehouse or your storage room, but you have no perimeters,

[18:11] that’s something to keep track of as well.

[18:16] Now, not one of these things is going to tell you that you definitely have a spear. It could be natural. Anyway,

[18:23] we have to approach this as it’s a natural phenomenon. Right. So we might want to call a technician to look at it or a plumber or.

[18:32] Or a specialist. Right. Or a technician or somebody to check these things and say when they come back, go, yeah, everything’s fine. I don’t understand why it’s happening.

[18:43] And then you keep track of it. And the best way to keep track of the phenomena and it’s very important is keep a logbook or a diary of events.

[18:54] And it’s really important because it tells you the date and time it happened. Time’s very important because it could be occurring at the same time on certain days,

[19:04] who was involved.

[19:05] Detailed occurrence of what you heard, saw, smell, whatever,

[19:10] and it builds trends.

[19:11] And you can look at it and go, hey, I smell cigars, smoke.

[19:16] So that might be great if you bring an investigator because he or she’s going to definitely put a camera in that room with audio and see if it still occurs when that’s running.

[19:30] So you might,

[19:31] might get something.

[19:33] But what, what you do when these things happen is,

[19:38] you know, keep, keep an open mind.

[19:41] Look for the natural ranges.

[19:44] Andy Walker: Sure.

[19:45] Richard Palmisano: And, and try and try and debunk it, you know,

[19:48] here before smarter. You can see something go, wow, that looks really strange. But is there an explanation? Is it perfectly natural that it’s occurring even though it looks strange?

[20:00] And try and figure it out.

[20:02] Don’t get mad,

[20:04] you know, keep calm.

[20:05] Don’t make threats like, hey, get out of here, I’m going to do something. Or don’t make challenges because they love challenges. They’re not going to back down if you do that.

[20:15] It’s just going to ask. It’s the game they’ll play.

[20:18] And you don’t want, you don’t want to play that Game.

[20:20] So try not to engage.

[20:22] And don’t automatically call your friend that says, hey, I’m a medium and I can, you know, clear the house or clear the building.

[20:32] And they come in and smudge. And that just causes a whole whack problems. Right.

[20:39] The statistics on people coming in and smudging of a house, truck building is phenomenal because.

[20:47] And I get a lot of the calls and people I know get a lot of calls.

[20:50] It’s always three days after the smudging occurred.

[20:53] Yeah.

[20:54] That the activity reemerges only 10 times worse.

[20:59] And it’s because you sort of called the bouncer and sacrifice.

[21:02] Yeah.

[21:03] You know, it’s like you call the bouncer and say, throw this guy out. And then he comes back with a vengeance.

[21:08] And it’s always about three days after he’s mad.

[21:12] Yeah. It’s phenomenal. And you know, you know, you really need a good somebody that knows what the heck they’re doing to, to clear a property.

[21:22] But you know,

[21:24] if you want to,

[21:26] you can,

[21:27] you know, as long as you, you, you remain calm and respectful. You can go out.

[21:32] You know,

[21:33] people might think you, you’re crazy or whatever, but you can just talk to the open air and you’re, you’re in the room or in the building, you’re having a problem and just explain.

[21:43] I know you’re here.

[21:45] What you’re doing is disruptive.

[21:48] It’s,

[21:48] it’s scaring me.

[21:50] I wish you would please stop doing these things.

[21:54] 80% of the time it works.

[21:56] They didn’t know that what they were doing was, were causing,

[22:01] causing the problem. So they, then they’ll back off 80% of the time. The other 20%, like, good, because that’s what I was trying to do.

[22:10] Scare you or disrupt you.

[22:12] So. But most of the time, 80% is a good percentage. So 80% of the time it’ll work. Yeah. So if it does escalate or does. Then you need to look for somebody like myself that’ll come in on your behalf and deal with what’s going on and try and mitigate some kind of treaty if we will,

[22:35] and try and get them to stop or leave.

[22:38] And we’re usually successful. We, we,

[22:41] we try and mitigate those problems and we,

[22:44] we get them to understand what that problem is and they shouldn’t really be there anymore. They need to move on and they need to go somewhere else. And they, if they wish to stay, that’s fine.

[22:53] But do it quietly. Reflect respectfully and, you know, just do your own thing. You don’t need to bother deliver.

[23:01] And most of them get it.

[23:03] Andy Walker: Right. Okay,

[23:04] so let me ask you a question about checklists then. So, because I’m assuming that if you’re getting some of these phenomenon and you’ve, you know, started to make notes and things like that, you’re going to come to a conclusion fairly quickly that you want to call in somebody like you.

[23:17] Like you, Richard.

[23:19] So what kind of questions maybe should I like, let’s say my office. I think my office is haunted. And I’m listening to this show, and I’m like, I’m going to call Richard.

[23:28] What are the key questions you’re going to ask that they should probably prep ahead of time?

[23:34] Richard Palmisano: Yeah. So again, that list I gave you. Right. They should keep a logbook of events. Because I’m going to ask,

[23:41] so what’s happened?

[23:42] When did they happen? Who was involved? Because we tend to come in mind,

[23:49] the human memory isn’t.

[23:52] It’s not a hundred percent.

[23:54] We mix jumble things up.

[23:56] We don’t follow a chronological order when we’re telling a story. We tend to put the more elaborate things first and then the softer events second.

[24:08] So I don’t know if that’s a chronological order. So I need to find out what you’ve been dealing with,

[24:16] who else has been involved,

[24:20] when did it happen, what kind of events? And the more detail you have on those events gives me more clues to what I’m going to be dealing with.

[24:30] Sometimes, like some of the hauntings I go to,

[24:33] only the females have experienced the events,

[24:37] and the males have never had an experience.

[24:40] And they have a share of the same home.

[24:43] They’re there the same amount of time.

[24:45] So that tells me that this particular spirit is focused on the females for some reason,

[24:52] and they’re trying to probably disrupt the family unit. Right. Because nothing is more disruptive of you having a traumatic experience and your husband doesn’t believe you.

[25:03] You see where that conflict started, right?

[25:06] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[25:07] Richard Palmisano: And you can imagine.

[25:09] Andy Walker: Yeah, of course.

[25:10] Richard Palmisano: A trauma and people go, yeah, whatever. I don’t believe it. Whatever.

[25:15] So these. These things give us clues as an investigator of what we might have to deal with and how we’re probably going to build our strategy on dealing with them.

[25:27] So, yeah, the more detail you can. You can write down, keep it in chronological order,

[25:32] times, dates. It’s, you know, it’s great if there’s other witnesses to it.

[25:37] Even if you play armchair investigator yourself,

[25:41] the activity is going to increase. It’s going to. It’s going to build because you’ve given the. Whatever this is You’ve given it your attention and it’s going to,

[25:53] again,

[25:55] either a story to tell or a secret to keep.

[25:58] The storyteller is going to want to tell that story and they’re going to be all over you. This the secret guy, he’s going to do everything he can to keep that secret, and that includes doing horrendous things to scare the Autodesk because let’s face it, you’re not going to investigate these secret if you’re too busy,

[26:17] you know,

[26:18] moving Albuquerque.

[26:19] So that’s how they play the game.

[26:25] Andy Walker: Right? I got it.

[26:26] Richard Palmisano: I got it.

[26:27] Andy Walker: Very good. Okay, well, I want you to tell us a few stories about your investigations, perhaps of a couple of businesses, but we’re going to save that for our member segment.

[26:36] So in the meantime, to tell us again the name of your book and your website so people know how to get hold of you. And the other question I had is, is there a fee if you get involved with an investigation?

[26:47] So if we can do those three things.

[26:50] Richard Palmisano: Charging,

[26:51] actually,

[26:52] we had a discussion about this a couple days ago. And anybody that’s charging,

[26:57] send them on their way and just do your research. When you’re bringing in an investigator or investigative team,

[27:03] do your research. Make sure they’re qualified first of all to do this.

[27:08] See what their background is, see if they have a website, make sure they use their last names. People come in there and they have fictitious names. You don’t want those people coming into your business.

[27:18] You want to know who these people are, that they’ve done this work before,

[27:22] but they’ve been doing it for some time.

[27:24] And no, they don’t charge.

[27:27] I can’t understand people charging for this because we’re dealing with the unknown. Unless you can come in and guarantee that what you’re going to do is going to be spot on and there’s some guarantee or warranty, but that’s ridiculous.

[27:40] You can’t do that.

[27:42] And I don’t know how they,

[27:45] they do that sort of thing. But no, we don’t charge. Most of the teams I deal with don’t charge anything.

[27:52] They do this because they have a love for it and for the research.

[27:56] My company does a ton of charity work.

[27:59] We do a lot of lectures and,

[28:03] you know, but it’s, it’s pro bono. It’s a.

[28:06] We’ll do the charity work. We’ll do the what. Usually it’s.

[28:11] It’s a municipality or government agency or a small business that wants to do something for the community, so we’ll do that.

[28:21] And what they’ll do is allow us to investigate a particular property or something and then we can take that information back to the client. Say yeah, you got auntie.

[28:31] You know, we’ve, we’ve done that for entire cities actually.

[28:35] So it usually works out really well and we don’t make any money. Books. Yeah, they say, well you write the books.

[28:44] Honestly, the money that books make hardly cover the cost of the investigation.

[28:50] So it’s out of pocket.

[28:53] All the team members are out of pocket.

[28:56] They pay for their own equipment, their own batteries, their own food and gas, their own time.

[29:02] And we just do it because we love doing it. And it really for that knowledge and the research that we, we can,

[29:10] we collect is, is payment enough.

[29:14] Very good.

[29:14] Andy Walker: Okay, so tell me so your website so people can reach to you if they want to connect with you and also tell us the name of your book again so that people know where they can get it.

[29:22] Richard Palmisano: Yeah, it’s www The Searcher Group and you can contact me through that website at Richard Searcher Group ca. I’m on Facebook as well.

[29:38] Andy Walker: Very good.

[29:39] Richard Palmisano: You can just Google me. Just put Richard Palmisano, Paranormal guy or Paranormal and all the books will pop up.

[29:47] They’re sold at all the, all the major bookstores at Indigo, Chapters, Amazon.

[29:53] Any book, any good book seller can get you that book.

[29:59] Andy Walker: Okay, well, very good. Well thanks for joining us this week.

[30:02] As I said, I’m going to ask you about your, your favorite, a couple of favorite stories about some work you’ve done.

[30:08] We’re going to save that for the extended episode available to Woo Biz plus members. If you’re interested in that, you can go to woobiz.net and click the subscriber button top right hand corner for Woo Biz for a few dollars a month for the time being.

[30:23] Thanks guys everybody for listening this weekend. You know, feel free to reach out to Richard to connect@the searchergroup CA if you think you have a haunting and you want some help, but that’s it.

[30:35] So my name is Andy Walker. This is Woo Biz. Don’t forget, stay in the woo.