Ep 11 – Overcoming Ancestral Family Trauma for Business Success with Dan Cohen and Emily Blefeld

Show Notes

This week WooBiz guests Dan Cohen and Emily Blefeld explore how to overcome ancestral trauma using a modality called System Family constellations. It can help clear blocks in your business (and personal life) that cause unwanted results or disruptions to success.

In an exercise, they help Andy work through a business block he has struggled with and that is in the way of his success.

WooBiz+ segment

Dan and Emily help Andy see and realign what they saw in his lineage to remove the unwanted block that stems from trauma from a previous generations.

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About Our Guests

Dan Cohen and Emily Blefeld are internationally recognized as leading voices in the evolution of Systemic Constellation Work. Their approach integrates non-ordinary states of consciousness, expanding constellations beyond family lineage into multidimensional layers of healing, while remaining grounded in the essential truths of German psychoanalyst Bert Hellinger (the founder of Constellation work) original teachings.

Dan and Emily’s links

Their website: SeeingWithYourHeart.com

Course with Emily: seeingwithyourheart.com/generational-alchemy/

Course with Dan: https://seeingwithyourheart.com/masterclass/ 

Train with Emily & Dan: seeingwithyourheart.com/act-certification/

Dan’s brilliant paper called: Family Constellation therapy: A nascent approach for working with non-local consciousness in a therapeutic container

Dan Cohen bio

Dan Cohen, PhD, trained directly with Bert Hellinger after earning his PhD in psychology and quickly emerged as a leading innovator in the field of Systemic Constellation Work. He was among the first to recognize representative perception as a profound doorway into ancestral consciousness. Blending a near-encyclopedic knowledge of world history, mythology, and culture with an uncanny psychic awareness, Dan specializes in helping individuals, couples, and families heal the effects of inherited trauma and fulfill their deepest longings for love, connection, and meaningful impact. Dan is the author of I Carry Your Heart in My Heart: Family Constellations in Prison, along with numerous peer-reviewed journal articles.

Emily Blefeld bio

Emily Blefeld, LICSW, brings over two decades of experience as a psychotherapist and Systemic Family Constellations trainer and facilitator. She specializes in supporting change-makers, healers, and entrepreneurs to dismantle outdated paradigms, narratives, and ancient codes that limit their growth. Known for her extraordinary intuitive gifts, and ability to commune with the ancestral realm, Emily skillfully attunes to the subtle dimensions of consciousness to help individuals release intergenerational trauma and live with greater authenticity, express their love more fully, and align with their life’s purpose. She holds a Master’s of Social Work and is certified in a wide range of therapeutic modalities.Together, Dan and Emily have expanded Seeing with Your Heart from a small private practice into a globally respected training organization. Their work has been offered live in 19 countries through workshops, retreats, and immersive training programs.

Transcript

[00:00] Andy Walker: What if the real block in your growth isn’t in your business plan, but in your bloodline?

[00:05] We explore how ancestral trauma can shape the way you build, lead, and succeed.

[00:11] That’s today on Woo Biz.

[00:21] Hello and welcome to another edition of Woo Biz.

[00:24] I’m your host, Andy Walker.

[00:26] And this is the show at the nexus of the Wu. That’s the extrasensory, the spiritual,

[00:32] and the mystical.

[00:33] And we’ll blend it with its unlikely cousin business,

[00:37] especially for those of you who are executives, entrepreneurs, innovators and creatives who are looking to tap into what I call Woo skills to gain an edge in your everyday work life.

[00:49] In today’s episode, you’re in for a treat because we’re gonna go explore how ancestral family trauma could be affecting your business success today.

[00:59] Be sure to stick around until the end because there also is an exercise in this episode where you can start to uncover and release those hidden patterns yourself.

[01:09] So let’s get into it.

[01:11] Please welcome Dan Cohen and Emily Blayfeld, two remarkable guides helping people transform their lives. And for business leaders and entrepreneurs,

[01:19] transforming the way they lead,

[01:21] they teach systemic constellation work, a method that reveals how hidden patterns from family and organizational history can quietly shape decisions, relationships and leadership styles.

[01:33] By uncovering and releasing those patterns, people unlock clarity, creativity, and a deeper sense of purpose.

[01:39] Dan is a psychologist who was trained with the founder of this work, and he’s known for blending deep knowledge of culture and history with powerful intuition.

[01:49] Emily is a psychotherapist with over 20 years of experience,

[01:52] celebrated for her ability to help people break free from limiting beliefs and fully step into their potential.

[01:59] Together, they run Seeing with youh Heart,

[02:02] a global training organization that’s helped thousands of individuals, entrepreneurs and executives lead with more vision, empathy and impact.

[02:11] Hey, guys, thanks for being with me.

[02:14] Dan Cohen: Well, great, Andy, great to be with you. Thanks so much for creating this show and inviting us to participate.

[02:20] Emily Blefeld: It’s a true pleasure to be here. I’m really inspired by. By what Woobiz is bringing forward into the world.

[02:26] Andy Walker: Well, thanks. Yeah, it’s. It’s been a real exciting journey and I just so thrilled to have you guys with me today. I wanted to start with this fascinating modality that you teach and, and just for a little bit of backstory,

[02:41] my wife Kay, who’s the producer of the show, she cuts and she produces and she chases sometimes.

[02:46] Her cousin was. She was a student of you guys, right, Meg?

[02:50] Emily Blefeld: Yeah, yeah.

[02:51] Andy Walker: And. And we ran into Meg this summer at the cottage, chit chatting and talking about this. And she’s Talk. She’s raving about you guys.

[02:58] And I’m like, what exactly is this? And so she starts to explain. And I was so excited. So for those that don’t know. Cause I didn’t know exactly what this was.

[03:07] I’d had an inkling of it. Cause I’d heard about it before. But tell me,

[03:10] what exactly is systemic constellation work? You need to find that real quick. Either one of you is fine.

[03:16] Dan Cohen: Well,

[03:18] at the origins of systemic constellation work, it grows from three streams. It grew from family systems therapy and the work of Virginia Satir in family construction and psychodrama. So it’s working with representatives to look at the system of a family rather than just at the individual, but see the individual in the context of.

[03:43] Of their family.

[03:45] The second stream is it comes out of indigenous wisdom practices from all around the world,

[03:52] where the system itself of the family is in a larger context of nature,

[03:58] of ancestors, and of the cosmos. So the small family system is part of a larger system of a type of universal consciousness.

[04:08] And the third stream is philosophy of existential phenomenology.

[04:15] And basically what that is is that people are able to access knowledge by being still and quiet and just observing. And the information comes to them rather than the traditional kind of scientific model where the researcher goes out and collects the data.

[04:37] In phenomenology, the researcher is still and quiet and the data comes to them.

[04:43] So this was all put together by Bert Hellinger, and he created what is an experiential process.

[04:49] This explanation is a little bit complicated, but the process itself is actually simple. To start with a person and some issue that they have, and to be able to look at that issue through these layers of system and to do it not from knowing the answer at the beginning,

[05:05] but just in quiet and stillness and let the answer emerge from the emptiness.

[05:11] Andy Walker: And this. So this allows me to sort of unblock things that I haven’t been able to overcome myself, perhaps, or even know that is particularly what the origin is. Is that right?

[05:20] Emily Blefeld: Yeah, I would say. When I first came across systemic family constellations, I was an entrepreneur,

[05:28] I was a psychotherapist who worked with visionaries, artists and business owners in helping them break free from these patterns that kind of grip them at the ankles,

[05:38] hold them back, pull them down. It’s like these, like torn clothes that we wear. And no matter how much we’re trying to upgrade the outfit of our life, it keeps showing up and draping itself across us.

[05:50] And so my work at the time was to. Was more in coaching and psychotherapy and Helping people to really step into the fullness of their potential. And I found that, you know, things would go well and that I’d see them again a couple years later with like a very similar issue,

[06:08] just a whole different set of characters.

[06:10] And I thought there’s got to be a tool for getting to the origins of what is really causing these kind of repetitive patterns and fractals that show up in one’s life.

[06:21] I found systemic family constellations and was deeply inspired because I, I brought up my own business issue. You know, the thing that was I was running a collaborative wellness center at the time and I had this feeling inside that like just I would take one step forward and 10 steps back and it just kept repeating in different ways.

[06:42] And so I brought it to this systemic family constellation field and I found it extraordinary because you would have this feeling inside and then you set up representatives in a group process.

[06:54] You can also do this in an individual process, but in this time it was in a group process where you will see the issues in your life sort of out pictured.

[07:04] But what ends up happening is what you, what is the landscape of your personal life actually mirrors the landscape of your ancestry.

[07:13] And they’ll find the issue that you are facing in relationship to your colleagues or your clients or maybe sales and your relationship to money or execution productivity actually mirrors your mother’s relationship with her grandmother or your father’s father’s business and his partnerships.

[07:32] And that it has repeat itself in the same way that like when a flower blooms on a vine,

[07:39] you’ll see a little blemish on the flower if there’s a nip in the vine.

[07:43] And so our work is to find the nip in the vine in your ancestry.

[07:48] And by working on restoring what was unresolved in that distant past,

[07:54] you will find that you can flourish in your projects and your initiatives in, in ways that, that are unexplainable. And for me,

[08:01] after experiencing my first constellation and seeing these like immediate extraordinary results in it was a no brainer. I like completely revolutionized my whole practice to make it central as a kind of a central practice.

[08:17] Andy Walker: That’s really, I mean that’s very powerful. I mean this is almost like going actually let me tell you a secret about what’s not working about you. And by the way, we have a solution for it.

[08:25] Brilliant.

[08:25] Emily Blefeld: And you don’t need,

[08:27] you know, for me, I used to work with people for anywhere from six months to a year and now it’s like three sessions. And the,

[08:34] the shift is there. We don’t want to promote too much the Magic Bullet. But I would say the results are profound and quick.

[08:41] Andy Walker: Wow, that’s amazing.

[08:43] So. So that. Emily, you gave us a little backstory on how you came to it. Dan, can you tell us your story? Cause I think you trained with, like, the guru in this work.

[08:51] No.

[08:52] Dan Cohen: Right. I was looking for this work for a year before I found it. My. My background is when I was in college, I took a class with a professor who had come out of Cambridge, England.

[09:06] She had gotten her PhD at Cambridge, England, and had gotten access to Isaac Newton’s hidden alchemical papers. Oh, wow. That had been squirreled away literally for centuries.

[09:18] And through a series of odd events, she was actually had been a high school science teacher in her hometown in Arkansas and just decided that the world she was living in was too small.

[09:29] And she ended up in Cambridge, England, and was given this trove of papers and offered the opportunity to do a PhD. So in a sense, she did a PhD on how Wu became discredited in the 16 and 1700s, not because of science,

[09:49] but because of politics and economics.

[09:53] That Isaac Newton himself was more woo then Newtonian physics that followed that. Newtonian physics, the materialism,

[10:06] the dead universe,

[10:08] was a fabrication that came out of the politics of the day in Europe.

[10:15] But the scientists himself and all those founding scientists were more woo than we were ever led to believe. And so she taught this class, and she really was a world expert on it.

[10:28] And so I pursued that interest for 25 years. And I came to a point where I needed another tool. I just became aware that all the tools that were available were inadequate for what I wanted to do.

[10:46] I had actually owned a business. I owned an engineering company for almost 20 years of that time. I founded it. We did energy conservation engineering,

[10:54] and we sold a business to a gas utility.

[10:57] And I had a little bit of money, so I didn’t have to go to work right away.

[11:01] And I went looking for this missing tool.

[11:03] And all I knew about it was I didn’t know what it was.

[11:08] I believed it was out there and that I would recognize it when I found it.

[11:12] And I spent a year looking, and I found it in a workshop in South Dakota,

[11:17] of all places in Rapid City, South Dakota, there was a German therapist who was working with descendants of Pioneers and Lakota people and doing family constellation work with them. And I just read a flyer for it, and I thought, oh, this is what I’m looking for.

[11:32] And so I flew out to Rapid City in November, end of November,

[11:36] and attended this workshop. And when I, after Three days. I thought, okay, this is what I’ve been looking for.

[11:42] And I went to Germany, met Bert Hellinger,

[11:45] trained with him there, and then trained in New York. He organized a training program.

[11:50] And then I’ve been facilitating constellations ever since. And then Emily and I met over 12 years ago.

[11:58] And we also recognized the connection in terms of our interests and capabilities. And so we founded Seeing with Youh Heart in 2013.

[12:07] Emily Blefeld: You’re both interested in looking at how leaders, change makers, activists, healers,

[12:15] had internalized the oppression in their lineage, and it was holding them back from being able to really fully express themselves. So, you know, that. That idea when, you know, for Dan, it was peacemakers.

[12:27] He had founded the Cambridge Peace Commission, and he noticed that, like, the peacemakers would set this intention and they’d gather, you know, in a peace initiative to move forward and, you know, shape maybe a pilgrimage or,

[12:41] you know, any kind of fundraising campaign or whatever. The dynamic is in service of peace.

[12:47] And they would begin to embody the injustice that they were purporting to set right and start fighting among each other, which happens in many grassroots teams and organizations. For myself, I would find, you know, female leaders would begin to put on their man pants and start buttoning up and lose their,

[13:05] like, deep feminine archetypal magic in order to, like, belong to corporate culture. And as. As a result, lost access to their voice or their confidence or couples that come together in business start fighting with one another, and they begin to, like,

[13:21] literally inhabit their parents, marriage as they are trying to give birth to something new, because that might have been the conditions of their own birth.

[13:29] So we came together in a shared initiative around dismantling internalized oppression and supporting change makers to be able to embody the energetic and the frequencies that they want to, you know, see more deeply in the world.

[13:44] Andy Walker: So. So when you start digging into somebody’s ancestral line with this modality, with this. With this technology,

[13:50] is it typically you see one dominant theme, or is it just a layered thing where there are many things and you just sort of peel them one at a time away?

[13:57] How does. How does the technology work?

[14:00] Emily Blefeld: I’m really excited to demonstrate it for our seekers today on you, Andy, if you’re willing. But I would say,

[14:08] you know, what? We. We start with an intention.

[14:12] When you are walking around in life,

[14:15] you’re always walking around with a systemic constellation, meaning you have a map of consciousness surrounding you, always the map of your birth, for example, how you came into the world.

[14:26] The conditions of that time might assert themselves when you are birthing A new project.

[14:32] You know, for example, if you’re,

[14:35] if you were pulled out by forceps or there was a C section or something that occurred in your early days, they may affect how you,

[14:45] you know, you need to get. You need to pull your projects out, or there’s a deeper intervention needed to, to get you to really bring it, bring that gestation period to the full labor and delivery.

[14:57] That’s one example. Another is say you had a really abusive parent.

[15:02] Sometimes, no matter where you are in the world, you’re walking around with the constellation of that trauma right behind you, and it keeps repeating itself in relationship to your. Your partner, your intimate partners, your collaborators.

[15:16] You’ll see that same conflict reassert itself over and over.

[15:22] So what we like to work with at first is somebody’s intention because it peels back all the other constellations.

[15:30] Like, if you choose one idea, one issue,

[15:33] one thing that you want to work with,

[15:35] all the other systemic issues that might be surrounding you, sort of step back and that becomes centered, and that’s where we begin.

[15:43] And then our work is to explore what is the unconscious belonging or the unconscious dynamics that live within you that are keeping you from manifesting that intention or embodying that intention.

[15:58] And our, our approach is not to understand, like, what is that block, but it’s actually to understand who is the block,

[16:05] you know, who is at the origin of the trauma, the conflict, the struggle.

[16:10] Every time you go to speak on a podcast like this, you, your, Your throat closes up and you start to get real anxious. Our, Our question is, who is the anxiety?

[16:20] Not what is the anxiety about? And who are you including in your life in some unconscious connection that is seeking healing?

[16:29] Andy Walker: Very good. So is this passed down DNA, rna, like cellular level? And. And so is there science here or is this mystical, or is it a bit of both?

[16:38] Dan Cohen: You know, it’s both mystical and scientific. There’s an article that I published in the scientific journal Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology.

[16:50] It’s open access,

[16:51] so you can just search my name in that journal. And the article comes up, and it describes in terms of the most recent findings in molecular biology,

[17:05] that our living cells have two aspects that they are managing the physiology within the body, but they are also,

[17:15] each cell has a quantum property.

[17:17] And so the cells are transmitting and receiving into the quantum information field continuously.

[17:25] And so we are following these pathways of genetic memory.

[17:32] Emily and I and others that we train are actually able to use our bodies as receivers and transmitters into this quantum information field on behalf of other people.

[17:46] So at the Core. I feel like what I’m doing is ancestral healing starting from the block that Emily just described.

[17:55] But I would then stand. Or we could use representatives if we’re doing in a group or the person that we’re working with can do it for themselves.

[18:02] But you use your body as a kind of antenna and it can with intention, it can direct itself. And you can locate this specific ancestor whose trauma.

[18:15] And they’re often forgotten.

[18:18] It is frequently that the grandparent or the lineage that the least is known about. Or we could work with adopted people who know nothing about their lineage.

[18:27] And you can find which ancestor is at the origin of this block and essentially has been radiating trauma down through the generations. And we can do healing at that ancestral level.

[18:42] And when that occurs, the.

[18:44] The ancestor gets released from the residue of their trauma.

[18:48] And it appears like the epigenetic marks within the body of the client. The person actually switch people feel in their bodies as full body release, a cellular release that is.

[19:02] Represents the healing of this ancestral trauma.

[19:07] Andy Walker: That’s amazing. And you know what,

[19:10] what you’re talking about here totally resonates. Cause I. I love to live in the world of like, I used to be a bit of an atheist and a bit of a materialist myself.

[19:17] And then of course,

[19:18] as you get older, you start to rethink perhaps your origins and your beliefs and things like that.

[19:24] Dan Cohen: And.

[19:24] Andy Walker: But I was a technology journalist for years, right. So very grounded in science and, you know, the material.

[19:31] So when you speak about that and you use the both worlds, it just totally resonates with me because I want to hear the science, I want to know the science.

[19:38] But I also like that spiritual piece too. And I think sometimes that spiritual piece is.

[19:44] Is difficult to define. We don’t know why it is, but we do know it’s there certainly, you know, so that’s wonderful. It’s wonderful that it works on. In. In two levels or can work in two levels because it also makes it very accessible to anybody who may be a skeptic or maybe all the way woo and be all kumbaya and crystals,

[20:00] you know what I mean? Like, it’ll work for both types of. Types of folks too, you know.

[20:05] Very good. Okay. Do you. Either of you, or both of you, one at a time maybe.

[20:10] What Would you tell me a story about a client who you.

[20:14] You will always remember because of what happened in their process with you guys?

[20:19] Dan Cohen: Oh, it’s. This is. Goes back a few years. You know, Emily and I have at this point we’ve worked with thousands of people over These more than a dozen years.

[20:28] But there was a physician who came to us who was triple board certified,

[20:36] was the medical director of a large mental health clinic in a city in Pennsylvania. This clinic had 30,000 patients that went through there.

[20:49] And she was a medical director and was just highly accomplished as a professional and practicing psychiatry. So basically she was in charge of managing the ways that medication were being distributed in the community.

[21:04] And she was unable to sleep. She would have difficulty falling asleep and then every night she would wake up with the same nightmare of just falling through empty space, just in the abyss,

[21:17] falling into eternity. And it would wake her up and she would have difficulty falling back asleep. And this went on night after night after night. And she had tried medication and therapy and meditation techniques, et cetera, all the things.

[21:32] And she was directed to us and she worked with both Emily and I and we did constellations for her. She had a very complex,

[21:42] highly traumatized family system with many layers and we worked with her extensively.

[21:48] She recovered her ability to sleep and she redirected her practice. We saw her just within the last few months and she is continuing to work as a physician,

[22:01] but she is the most woo physician one could imagine. And she is creating a healing center that’s opening next year.

[22:10] It’s in construction. She bought the property,

[22:13] assembled a team and she has an array of spiritual oriented modalities that she will be offering.

[22:21] And her mission from here on is to help people taper off from psychiatric medications and to be able to recover their emotional well being through spiritual practices, plant medicine,

[22:37] meditation, exercise, breathing,

[22:39] family constellations and so on. And it’s a, you know, success story for us. Not just on the personal level that she, you know, sleeps well every night and has love in her life and a sense of well being, but she’s also impacting now.

[22:55] You know, it’ll be thousands, ten thousands of people in her community who will recover their mental well being without having to rely on medications that they have to take every day for the rest of their lives.

[23:09] Andy Walker: Wow, that’s like paradigm shifting. That’s amazing. It really is. And what was specifically the block that she managed to dissolve or to crack open?

[23:21] Dan Cohen: Oh my God. She really had a very challenging family. It was on both sides.

[23:26] It’s just, it’s too complicated to go into it. It just has a lot of notes. She just, it was a family with a tremendous amount of trauma on both sides.

[23:34] Emily Blefeld: She’d wake up in the middle of the night and panics like regularly and.

[23:39] And also had a deep lack of belonging, lack of community Lack of place,

[23:44] lack of connection to the people that,

[23:48] like everywhere she was, she was this powerful, loving person, but never quite felt like she had a place.

[23:53] Andy Walker: Wow.

[23:54] Emily Blefeld: And now, like, creates places for people all over the world, you know.

[23:57] Andy Walker: Amazing. Yeah. What was missing for her, she’s created for other people now that she’s transformed the block.

[24:03] Dan Cohen: It was kind of a.

[24:04] Not that unusual, a Midwestern kind of farm story where children.

[24:09] Children are not tended to, girls are sexually assaulted, they get pregnant at, and then those children are mistreated and abandoned,

[24:22] and then those children have children.

[24:25] And it creates just a chain of neglect and abuse and disconnection that is multiple generations.

[24:34] And this was.

[24:36] It’s a familiar story in one sense, of course. Every individual is unique. So this is what she was born into. And a lot of her hyper achievement was compensation for what at the core was just this abyss.

[24:51] I mean, in these dreams, she was kind of falling into the reality of what it felt like to be a child in that it’s not even a family. It’s just like girls getting assaulted and having.

[25:04] Getting pregnant and having children and no one caring for them for multiple generations.

[25:10] And that was kind of the. What was represented in the abyss. And then in her waking hours, she was highly, highly accomplished.

[25:18] And she’s now kind of brought those together where she has kind of filled in those blanks, has a.

[25:24] An emotional connection with her, her mother, her father,

[25:28] stepparents and siblings from all around full in half,

[25:33] and has brought herself to wholeness and now is able to redirect her professional life towards helping others who are in similar types of conditions.

[25:43] Andy Walker: What an incredible story. That is incredible.

[25:47] Emily Blefeld: I’ve got a story for you now. I needed a minute to think about it.

[25:51] Andy Walker: No, it’s good. It’s good. Bring it, Emily. Bring it.

[25:55] Emily Blefeld: So I worked with this writer,

[25:57] author,

[25:58] and sound healer. When she reached out her deepest fear. She had this fear she needed to have back surgery on her spine and had this fear that if she had the back surgery, that she would never be without pain.

[26:12] And that she’s. That the pain is impacting her capacity to create and to sing and to kind of transmit the vibration she wants to bring into the world.

[26:22] So when we opened to do the constellation and did the initial tune in,

[26:27] I had this image of. Of a woman who did not feel like a part of the lineage, but wanted to be present for the healing. And so I communicated that to the person we.

[26:39] I was working with. And I said, feels like a very creative woman, but is not a direct. You’re not A direct descendant of hers, and yet she’s here in the.

[26:47] In the constellation with us. And as we built it back and worked with.

[26:51] Worked with the constellation,

[26:54] we had images and processes that brought us to the Holocaust,

[26:59] where she uncovered her.

[27:02] Her grandfather’s relationship to his first wife. She later found out he had a first wife. She did not know he had a first wife. But during this session is what came up.

[27:12] We had an image of a woman being kind of beaten with a pipe or pole of some sort before being sent to a concentration camp. And it was the.

[27:21] It was kind of on the far. On the back,

[27:23] and the image was pretty direct on the back of the spine of this woman.

[27:28] And then her and the three little children got kind of scurried away in the process. This all came up through representative perception, which you’ll get a taste of in the.

[27:37] In the exercise.

[27:39] But this. This came forward, and we kind of were working with the imprints of the Holocaust on this. This woman and this creator.

[27:47] She’s a descendant. Her grandfather was a survivor of the Holocaust,

[27:52] and as a descendant of,

[27:55] you know, very powerful artistic people in her. In her lineage from Eastern Europe.

[28:00] And so during the healing process, as we were in this healing phase, the. This woman put her hands on this. The woman, again, who’s not her grandmother. I was, like, describing a woman who is not her grandmother said, you know, she’s got her hands on your back, and she wants to send all this energy into your womb and to send all this love and blessing into your womb.

[28:21] And. And the woman said, oh, I’m actually trying to get pregnant right now. And I’ve been trying to get pregnant for years,

[28:28] and we’ve struggled.

[28:29] And I often feel, like,

[28:32] this terror about bringing a child into the world with a level of antisemitism that is present.

[28:37] And.

[28:39] And so she said, so I’m just gonna take it as a blessing for my womb and receive the healing. And it was a. It was a transmutation around the fear.

[28:47] Like, in her mind, she had fear that if she went into. Through surgery, she would die or she would lose her gifts, which happened to many Jewish people of that time who were victims of this level of assault.

[28:58] They, you know, lost their lives or they lost confidence in being in kind of the public eye.

[29:05] And so that was our work in the session. And a few months later, she wrote and said that she found out her grandfather had a wife and three children, and they were sent to the.

[29:15] To the camps and killed, and that he made it to the States,

[29:20] survived the Holocaust, and Remarried who? Her grandmother.

[29:23] And so it was one of those constellations that you would never forget because this woman who would have been her grandfather’s first wife was blessing the child of her husband’s second wife.

[29:37] Like, if you think about it, it’s like,

[29:39] it’s like she’s blessing the family that went on beyond the family that was there. And the healing really was, was about how this, this creative woman was actually including his, her grandfather’s first wife.

[29:55] She was including her pain, her suffering in her body. And so as we did the healing on the spine and we did the healing with the womb, she was able to get pregnant.

[30:05] She was able to go through the health regenerative practices needed to heal the spine, and she released any kind of unconscious belonging she might have had to not feeling worthy of being able to bring a child into the world or not feeling worthy of being pain free.

[30:22] Many times descendants will include,

[30:25] you know, who came before,

[30:27] who isn’t seen or isn’t acknowledged, isn’t remembered.

[30:30] And she kind of peeled herself away from living the fate of her grandfather’s first wife.

[30:37] Andy Walker: Wow.

[30:37] Emily Blefeld: That isn’t a confusing story. I don’t know, but I love, I, I loved that story.

[30:43] Andy Walker: That is, that is next level. Wow.

[30:45] Emily Blefeld: So really a bunch of things. She’s on a lot of, you know, she’s on Spotify. You can hear her song. You know, she’s out in the world doing her art.

[30:54] Andy Walker: Yeah, she totally got freed up. And when she released all of that. That’s amazing. It’s amazing.

[30:59] All right, well,

[31:01] I’m kind of getting excited, so let’s, let’s jump into an exercise. You said you, you’d prepared an exercise for us, so let’s,

[31:07] I’ll, I’ll submit myself to you and open up my.

[31:12] Drop my. Any kind of pretense that I know what I’m doing and I’ll be in your hands.

[31:16] Emily Blefeld: Amazing. Thanks for your willingness and you know, to be vulnerable and public in this way. It’s so appreciated.

[31:24] And so for the, the, those that are here on the call, you’re going to want like five, six objects, maybe seven objects that you, you’re going to set up on a tabletop.

[31:34] If you’re just listening and you’re driving,

[31:36] don’t worry about it.

[31:39] You can do this in your mind’s eye, but if you are able to grab a few objects around your home to work with,

[31:47] you will find this an even more meaningful exercise.

[31:50] Andy Walker: Okay, I have things on my desk, so I have a pen and a stapler, a button Mouse.

[31:55] Dan Cohen: Right.

[31:56] Andy Walker: It could be anything.

[31:56] Dan Cohen: It could be pieces of paper. It could be little crystals. If you’re that. What’d you say before, Andy, about the person with the crystals and the unicorns?

[32:07] Andy Walker: Crystals and Kumbaya. Yeah.

[32:09] Dan Cohen: Right. So if you’ve got those on your at hand, you could use those. Or just anything that’s easily at hand will work.

[32:18] Andy Walker: So you said it’s a two. Four. I’ve got five. I’ll use my phone. Six. And then.

[32:22] Emily Blefeld: Perfect.

[32:23] Andy Walker: Seven. There we go.

[32:25] Emily Blefeld: Okay. So you pick an object to represent yourself.

[32:29] Andy Walker: Okay. Yep.

[32:31] Emily Blefeld: You just hold that object in your hand for a moment and you’ll ask the object to represent you. And it’s just when we worked with people,

[32:38] you know, if we were working in a group, in a group space, or on zoom in a virtual group space, we might ask somebody to pick a person to represent themselves.

[32:48] Like, pick somebody in the group who doesn’t know them to represent them. But in this moment, we’re going to work with objects.

[32:52] Andy Walker: Okay.

[32:53] Emily Blefeld: So you just pick this thing to represent you and just take a moment to hold it.

[32:58] Andy Walker: Okay.

[32:59] Emily Blefeld: Take a deep breath in and a deep breath out.

[33:03] And just send the consciousness of your own energy into the object. Like, just allow the object to absorb the field of your current consciousness.

[33:14] Andy Walker: Okay.

[33:15] Emily Blefeld: And then you can place the object on the desk.

[33:18] Andy Walker: Okay.

[33:20] Emily Blefeld: And then you’re going to pick an object to represent your intention.

[33:24] And this is an intention in business that, you know, maybe it’s something you’ve always wanted to step into or something you really deeply desire. Maybe it’s something that you continue to work towards, but no matter what, you keep,

[33:38] like, meeting some resistance around. Around it. So let’s work with an issue that has a little bit of a.

[33:46] Some weight to it, you know, that it’s a desire that hasn’t quite manifested,

[33:52] you know, despite your good attempts.

[33:55] Anything you would add to that band.

[33:57] Dan Cohen: Just for the people listening. This could be kind of the macro scale of I want to quit my job and open a restaurant at that level. Or it could be at the micro scale that I want to be able to bring my food costs down in my restaurant.

[34:16] And nothing I do,

[34:18] no matter what I try,

[34:19] I’m not able to accomplish it. I just feel blocked or impeded, or there’s just nothing I try works. So it can be something very specific and kind of real world what’s bothering you today, or it could be more big picture.

[34:35] Andy Walker: Okay. Okay. So do you want to know what my. What issue. Should I share that?

[34:40] Emily Blefeld: Not yet. We’ll. We’ll set it. Yeah, place. Place the intention wherever you want to put it. And again, if we were working in a group, we would ask them to pick someone to represent your intention.

[34:51] And then we’d tell the person to find their place on the floor and just like walk around and find where they go. So it’s. You’ve got an object for you and an object for your intention on the tabletop.

[35:01] And then you’re gonna pick an object that represents what stands in your way,

[35:07] what holds you back, what weighs you down,

[35:10] what, like,

[35:11] what is the block between you and the manifestation of that intention?

[35:17] And then you just again, kind of hold it in your hand, take a deep breath, send it into the energy and the consciousness of that block into the object.

[35:27] Andy Walker: Okay, very good.

[35:29] Emily Blefeld: And then you’d place that on the tabletop.

[35:31] Andy Walker: Okay, we got three now.

[35:33] Dan Cohen: And it could be a person as well. It could be a business partner,

[35:39] an employee,

[35:41] a boss as well. The block can be something that is just a feeling that you have that something’s in the way. Or it could be something, you know, tangible, like a person who feels like they’re in your way, they’re blocking your path.

[35:53] Andy Walker: Okay.

[35:53] Dan Cohen: Either one.

[35:54] Emily Blefeld: Okay.

[35:54] Dan Cohen: I mean, you pick one. But I’m just, for the listeners, just illustrating that this is. It’s very open ended in terms of how you identify these.

[36:03] Andy Walker: So whatever’s in the way, it could be a person, a thing, a feeling, a sense, a memory, something like that. Okay. Yeah. Okay, good.

[36:12] Emily Blefeld: Okay. And so then we would do something called tuning in. And we’re gonna first teach how we tune in so that the listeners can do it. And then we’ll do it with you, Andy, and demonstrate.

[36:19] And what we’re doing is we’re tuning into what we would call the systemic field.

[36:23] So if you look at this, these objects, wherever you are, you’re walking around with this field, you’re walking around with that desire and that longing and that intention. It like it’s with you.

[36:34] It’s with you at the grocery store, it’s with you at home, it’s always there.

[36:37] And the block walks with you too. It’s like. And these are just two objects, let alone, you know, you probably have five or six things that are connected to this desire.

[36:45] But we’re gonna take a moment to tune into what we would call the field of your consciousness and just sense it in a more 3D way. And so we’ll teach how to do that for those of you that are listening.

[36:58] And then Andy will kind of be some quiet afterwards. And we’ll open. Dan and I will open our hearts to you and to your field. Dan, why don’t I offer some instructions first, then you follow, and then we’ll tune into Andy.

[37:10] Andy Walker: Okay, good.

[37:12] Emily Blefeld: Okay.

[37:12] Dan Cohen: Is he going to tell us his. Is he going to tell us what the intention is?

[37:17] Emily Blefeld: A great idea. We can have a little bit of information. Sometimes we know, sometimes we don’t, but that’d be great. Andy, why don’t you share a little bit about your desire, your intention, and what the resistance is?

[37:27] Andy Walker: Okay. Yeah, great. So my desire is to. I’ve created many businesses over the years, and all those businesses seem to be highly limited in terms of their return.

[37:39] So, you know, I’ve never kind of cracked decent revenue from any business. It’s always, you know, it makes, you know, 50 grand a year, a hundred grand a year. But I’ve never got,

[37:48] you know, a million dollars a year or three quarters of a million dollars a year. Right. It’s. There’s a limitation on my results,

[37:55] and. And that frustrates the.

[37:57] Out of me.

[37:59] Excuse my language. But, yeah, if it just. Everything seems so small and I throw my heart and soul into something, build it, and then it has limited results, and that’s upsetting to me.

[38:09] Emily Blefeld: Okay, brilliant. Thank you for sharing that.

[38:13] Speaker D: Thank you, Andy.

[38:15] Emily Blefeld: Okay. And when you feel the block, is there anything in particular or is it just that kind of limited results? It just feels like you always meet a limited result or is there something specific that you feel stands between you and a million dollars?

[38:29] Andy Walker: Yeah, it’s. It’s the. I have this. This very distinct fear of being publicly humiliated through failure.

[38:37] Emily Blefeld: Okay.

[38:38] Andy Walker: Like, it’s not just like a. Oh, you failed. Because I failed many times and, you know, moved on to the next thing. But this is like, if I take a big risk where I just really want to grow something really large,

[38:49] and I have a fear of being diminished highly publicly.

[38:55] Emily Blefeld: Okay. Dan, do you have any questions?

[38:58] Dan Cohen: No. No, it’s clear.

[39:00] Emily Blefeld: Okay, so what we’ll do now is we’re going to tune in for listeners. You’re tuning into your own intention, and you might do the same thing that Andy just did. You might take.

[39:09] You may even pause this podcast and just write down, what is your desire?

[39:14] What is your resistance, what’s standing in the way, what’s. What’s blocking you? And then hit play again and drop in, or just say it out loud like Andy just did.

[39:23] Just share out loud what is your desire,

[39:25] what’s in the way.

[39:27] And then we’ll close our eyes. We’ll breathe together.

[39:29] And, Andy, you can do the same thing. Take a deep breath in and close your eyes. And this is not meditation, actually, it’s just the opposite.

[39:37] Dan Cohen: We’re creating some dead air here for you, Andy. I don’t know if you’ll just let it run or edit it out, but just in case you edit it out just to let people know.

[39:45] We’re gonna take a minute or so just to.

[39:48] Of stillness and quiet.

[39:50] Andy Walker: But for those that are listening, you can hear a brief silence while we go through this process. But I’ll cut it so that you don’t have to sit there for a minute and a half.

[40:00] So let’s do it.

[40:02] Emily Blefeld: So you close your eyes and breathe. And for those listening,

[40:07] we invite you to just take a seat in the center of your heart.

[40:10] And then you can imagine opening the front doors of your heart as if they have gates on them to your intention, to your desire,

[40:19] to what you want the most.

[40:21] And then you might imagine there are back doors to your heart.

[40:25] And you can open the back doors to tune in to who might be connected to the block that you’re carrying,

[40:34] who’s there with you as you travel through the back doors of your heart, to your mother, your father, your grandparents?

[40:42] The question is like, who else carries that fear? Who else carries that challenge?

[40:50] Who are you including or belonging to when you keep anxiety super close or depression,

[40:59] so present or relationship challenges, you know, who’s with you in that block?

[41:05] So we’ll breathe together, we’ll get quiet, and we’ll just drop in to feel through the front doors of our heart and the back doors of our heart.

[41:19] Okay. And as you feel ready, you can begin to come back to the space,

[41:24] can open your eyes and just take a deep breath in and a deep breath out,

[41:30] and you might even look at the objects on your desk just noticing how you dared to get curious about not just like,

[41:40] you know, angry at this block or frustrated with this block and kind of reactive to it. You actually included it with care and reverence and compassion and a willingness and curiosity.

[41:53] And so when it comes to ancestral healing, part of the process is about beginning to look into the eyes of your ancestors, like through the back doors of your heart.

[42:04] You’re saying, I carry something that you carried.

[42:08] I love you so much that I actually include you. This way.

[42:13] I stay connected to you. We might not know each other, for example, but I. I actually keep you close by keeping your patterns close.

[42:23] You know, something like that. There’s a way where you are extending connection, and they’re Remembered through you simply by how you’re behaving or being in the world or how you’re feeling in the world.

[42:35] And this is kind of part one in the part two exercise, which we’ll do a bit later.

[42:43] We’ll show you where we would go now,

[42:45] you know, to kind of move the block back. But for now we’ll report on what came up for Andy and, and what we had in the tune in and just share what’s there and then we’ll take the next step.

[42:56] Dan, is there anything you want to add for the instructions of completing part one for the listeners and then we’ll.

[43:01] Dan Cohen: Share about Andy No, I think that’s great, Emily. I think we could just share what was in the tune in.

[43:06] Emily Blefeld: Okay, great. Do you, do you want to go first, Dan or Andy?

[43:12] Dan Cohen: I think I’ll, I think I’ll go. I think it’ll be more,

[43:15] you know, we’re kind of at the, at the woo moment of this call though. I think,

[43:21] I think it’d be most interesting if we just report first, Emily.

[43:25] Emily Blefeld: Okay, great.

[43:26] Dan Cohen: And you know, when we do this process and both of us have done it, you know, we do it daily and the images that come in,

[43:35] we don’t know where they, you know, quite how they arrive, but I trust them because they’ve shown over the years to be very accurate. They’re not guaranteed to be accurate,

[43:45] but they’re very rarely stray. So I’ll, I’ll share the image I had, it was quite specific.

[43:50] I immediately came to a farm.

[43:52] I was,

[43:54] felt like I was,

[43:55] you know, two, three generations back.

[43:58] And just the depiction that I had was of a,

[44:05] a farmer man who was farming, who was hard working,

[44:10] motivated,

[44:11] ambitious,

[44:13] and had just achieved something really special in terms of some type of innovation.

[44:24] And he was grandstanding in some way with some equipment,

[44:31] celebrating.

[44:33] And there was an accident with the equipment and he fell and was killed.

[44:40] And then I was with his wife who now was a widow in this moment of his, kind of an Icarus moment where he flew, but he ended up flying too high out of kind of an ego.

[44:56] And she’s now a widow with children on this farm.

[45:01] And her husband died in a way that felt humiliating to her because it was,

[45:09] there’s, you know, a Protestant ethic of modesty and humility that he violated. And it’s as if he was struck down for excessive celebration.

[45:21] And so she was bitter. And then there’s a son who would have been your direct ancestor, grandfather, great grandfather,

[45:30] who’s torn between a loyalty to the Two parents. So they’re the part of this boy that wants to redeem his father is the part of you that is,

[45:45] you know, starting these businesses and trying to grow them and to kind of. It’s a. It’s a redemptive act to try to achieve what the farmer was not able to achieve.

[45:56] And then the restriction is this young man’s mother who’s saying, don’t get too big for your britches. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

[46:08] Don’t call attention to yourself. Don’t boast.

[46:11] And he’s loyal to her as well, and in her loss.

[46:15] And he’s caught between them. So he’s kind of,

[46:17] you know, metronoming back and forth between the two movements and finding himself just stuck in the middle between them.

[46:25] And that this would be the, you know, the trauma that you’re trying to resolve.

[46:31] But because it’s something from,

[46:34] you know,

[46:35] a century ago,

[46:36] you can’t actually resolve it. There’s no way to resolve it. You just recreate it, and that’s where you are.

[46:43] That’s what I felt.

[46:44] Andy Walker: Okay, wow.

[46:46] Emily Blefeld: I can share what came in for me. And then. And then, Andy, maybe you can share.

[46:51] Andy Walker: Yes.

[46:52] Emily Blefeld: When I tuned in. And so sometimes I’ll see images, and I don’t always interpret the image of the genogram correctly, but often the images are in tune. So if I just think this is your mother’s father, it could be your father’s mother’s father, for example.

[47:07] You know, just. Just hold the. Hold the interpretation of who it is lightly.

[47:13] Um, but I had this image of a grandfather who I thought had a business partnership and he was successful,

[47:26] and yet something went awry in the partnership. And actually I felt the heart of the partner,

[47:33] the humiliation, the struggle, the challenge, the kind of uncoupling of that partnership. And it’s. It’s impact on his family and the humiliation of. And I’m saying his. I don’t actually know what pronouns to use,

[47:47] but it just felt like there could have been a woman, could have been. I don’t know.

[47:52] But there was something kind of fell apart.

[47:55] And this. This felt like I. I wrote down mother’s father, but it could have been, you know, father’s mother’s father. And I felt you on some level wanting to include both, similar to Dan’s story, kind of wanting to include.

[48:07] Include the one who is successful and also including the limitation of the one who actually lost,

[48:13] you know, lost in the partnership, like, was kind of left behind, excluded from the continued successes. And so you’re kind of the sat. The sad story of the one who maybe got kicked out or didn’t continue on or who kind of never really made it, or the sibling that never really kind of got the in.

[48:30] You have like both in inside you.

[48:33] And then the second thing I felt was just an image of like a father.

[48:37] Maybe it was your father sort of turned away from your mother and he. And kind of turned away in a different direction from you. And I just had this sense of his desire to be seen and known and included, but his fear of being humiliated being kind of less than and so kind of felt him and his father and his relationship to the line of men and how he kind of shows up to you.

[49:04] You know, you get his back, he kind of looks away and you get his back when you turn towards him and it feels like he’s just not interested or he’s cold or something like that.

[49:13] But there’s actually a part of him that just has this insecurity that, you know, you’re actually his wild success and you’re his, you know, great creation.

[49:25] And again, if this isn’t your dad, it might be your dad’s dad with your dad,

[49:29] but this kind of feeling that if he tries to stand next to who he created with, you know, the co creator, your mother or your grandmother, that there’s this feeling that he’s not enough and that, you know, he’d rather avoid being kind of rejected or put down than take the risk to be there.

[49:51] And so he kind of is half in and half out and not. Not fully there.

[49:56] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[49:57] Emily Blefeld: And those were. And then I felt you in cars. I don’t know. I know that you’re in the woo biz, but I had this sense of like the race car of life.

[50:06] And I just felt like you’re the commenter on your life. It’s like you’re the guy in the. In the box speaking like, this one’s blue is running up again now red, now here comes yellow.

[50:17] And now we’re going like you’re kind of watching the businesses and it’s like, oh, it just like didn’t make it.

[50:24] So there’s this passion and excitement you have about the.

[50:29] About like witnessing the businesses, but you haven’t quite gotten the driver’s seat of the race car.

[50:36] And it’s. It’s an unconscious loyalty to the saint. It’s like you’re. It’s like the same thing I described as the father. You know, whether it’s your dad or your grandfather, it’s like there’s a deep desire.

[50:47] Like he. He can see his greatest creation, but he can’t actually get in the driver’s seat of, like,

[50:53] you know, being there.

[50:55] You know, it’s like there’s an invitation for you to really go full out in your own race car of business.

[51:02] And it would require not witnessing your success from a distance, but actually embodying it.

[51:09] Andy Walker: Right.

[51:09] Emily Blefeld: I think that’s. That’s not. Or not witnessing your child from a distance, but embodying it the way, you know, to kind of be the father figure of that business.

[51:18] Andy Walker: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I think there’s a lot of resonance there. There’s a lot of resonance there. All right, so what do you want from me now?

[51:26] Emily Blefeld: Yeah, just share with us what. What lands about what we shared, and then we’ll take the next step.

[51:31] Andy Walker: Well, it’s very interesting. So my family’s from the uk and I don’t know a lot about my distant ancestors,

[51:39] but what I do know is that my father’s father died after. In World War II after being torpedoed on a merchant ship. And so he didn’t know his father.

[51:50] And we don’t know much. I mean, we. We know about as much as we. As we know because of. My father was eight years old when this man. When my grandfather died.

[51:58] But on the other side of the family, my mother’s father was essentially a quick fling or a quick roll in the hay during the war,

[52:06] and she was the result of that. So there’s two absentee grandfathers in.

[52:12] In my lineage.

[52:14] And what resonated about what you both said, especially the farm, is there’s, There’s. It feels like there was somebody maybe in my mother’s line, my mother’s father, my mother’s grandfather, like that male line there,

[52:26] feels like it might have been a bit agrarian, a bit agriculture, a bit, you know, that’s what Dan had said.

[52:33] Um, the other thing that sort of in this picture is that I have no relationship with my father and my mother. We had a falling out 12 years ago.

[52:41] Um, and my father is my mother’s protector. And as much as he and I vibe he’s turned his back on me in this process because I don’t have an alignment with my mother.

[52:53] So there’s a lot of those themes that you guys touched on that really are absolutely spot on. Now the question is, how do we pull that piece apart? Now that’s the hard piece, right?

[53:05] Emily Blefeld: Okay.

[53:07] Dan Cohen: It’s the next step. It’s not necessarily the hard piece. It’s the next step.

[53:11] Andy Walker: Oh, it’s the next step on how you act.

[53:13] Emily Blefeld: So now we would actually take this tabletop constellation and build it back. So I would. Should I share more of this now or is this where we.

[53:24] Andy Walker: No, I think we’re at the point where we probably, you know, we’ve got a really good taste of this for all of the listeners and I want to save this economic step for our, for our woobas plus subscribers because I, you know, this is where we go a little deeper and,

[53:37] you know, everybody’s got a demonstration of this technology and I think it’s brilliant and it’s so simple and yet so powerful.

[53:46] So for, for those listeners, you guys, I invite you, I hope you follow along and do your own work and that sort of thing. If you do want to hear what happens next, then you want to hop on over and become a WOOBIZ plus member.

[53:58] It’s the price of an expensive, you know,

[54:01] coffee once a month. It’s not expensive at all. So, so we’ll. On that that note, I’ll say goodbye to everybody from the main feed.

[54:09] We appreciate you guys being here. Thanks for being with us this week,

[54:13] especially in light of this. And before we hop out of this and hop into the next segment,

[54:20] Dan and Emily, please let people know how they can connect to you and we’ll put all this stuff in the show notes. But perhaps you want to. This is where you get a little commercial.

[54:28] We’ll talk about your business and how people can engage in this work with you guys.

[54:33] Emily Blefeld: Absolutely.

[54:34] Well, you can visit Seeing with your heart. Com. We have a space where you can contact us and when you fill out that form, it will actually bring you to all our current offerings and give you an option to work with us to do a free consultation similar to what we just did with Andy,

[54:52] where you will,

[54:53] you know, drop into the field of your systemic inquiry and then we can point you in the right direction as to whether you’d be a candidate for one of the courses we offer currently coming up in November.

[55:06] We have two courses made available. One is called Generational Alchemy, the Path of Purpose and the Breath of Abundance. And it’s about, it’s actually four people who are looking to alchemize the generational inherited patterns and step into greater prosperity in their own businesses.

[55:23] And that is, of course, I’m facilitating with a team of alchemists and incredible coaches.

[55:30] Dan, do you want to talk about the course you’re offering?

[55:32] Dan Cohen: Sure.

[55:35] The class I have starting up also in November is called Science, Myth and Magic.

[55:40] It’s a Small course for about 20, 25 people goes over 14 weeks. And it is split between teaching about how it is that woo as a derogatory term that negates nature,

[55:57] spirit and ancestral consciousness has become the dominant worldview in business,

[56:04] government,

[56:05] and how to reclaim it just within our own being,

[56:09] how to make connections with the consciousness that we are immersed in and to recognize that the dogmatism of materialism is not good science.

[56:20] That’s part of the class. And then most of the classes we’re doing constellations.

[56:25] So we’re working within the circle and just working with what’s alive in the group and doing constellations that begin as an individual piece of work and then we build it out into the collective and we can we look at social questions of the day or politics or sometimes just very individual,

[56:43] looking at all the themes around birth, death and rebirth that are active and of interest for everybody.

[56:51] Andy Walker: Fascinating. Go ahead.

[56:53] Emily Blefeld: And if you are listening to this in the future, when Andy’s podcast has kind of hit millions of listeners.

[57:00] Andy Walker: Yes.

[57:00] Emily Blefeld: And this is an early episode,

[57:03] you know, we offer ongoing courses in generational alchemy, in becoming an alchemical constellations facilitator trainer. The next one starts in April and.

[57:13] And private services,

[57:15] so we’re always offering courses. Just visit us at seeing with your heart.com and share this podcast so Andy becomes known across the world.

[57:24] Andy Walker: Wonderful, wonderful. Seeing with your heart dot com. So that’s Dan and Emily.

[57:29] Dan Cohen: Thank you.

[57:30] Andy Walker: Thank you so much for being with us this week. And we’ll step into the next segment shortly. But in the meantime, this is Woo Biz. I’m Andy Walker. Make sure you stay in the woo.

[57:55] Well, if you’re still with us,

[57:57] I have Emily and Dan with us, who’s going to. They’re going to do an extended episode with us here. Thanks so much, guys, for being with it with me and agreeing to stay on a little longer.

[58:05] I know you have. You’re going to cook up something even more exciting than what we just did in the main feed.

[58:12] So let’s do it. What are we going to do next?

[58:15] Emily Blefeld: Okay, so what I would invite you to do next is find an object to represent your mother and an object to represent your father.

[58:22] Andy Walker: Okay, I got two little thingies here.

[58:26] Emily Blefeld: Place that behind you so that you have your mom and your dad, you know, one generation back from you, wherever that.

[58:33] Andy Walker: On the tabletop. Yeah, where my. My phone was me. So I’ll put it behind my phone.

[58:38] Emily Blefeld: Right behind the object for you.

[58:40] Andy Walker: Okay. Yeah, good.

[58:42] Emily Blefeld: And. And then you’ll just Take a moment to feel the consciousness and send the consciousness of your mother into the object for your mother and object for your father. And if.

[58:52] For the listeners, if. If you have a step parent or,

[58:56] um, an egg donor or sperm donor or adoptive parent. What we’re working with in this moment is the biological pathways that are passed down epigenetically. So we would recommend you work with birth consciousness and birth representatives.

[59:13] So for Andy, it’s his mom and dad.

[59:15] And then I might put an object for both.

[59:19] Yeah, if you have enough objects. One behind your mom and one behind your dad.

[59:24] Andy Walker: All right.

[59:24] Emily Blefeld: And this will represent the maternal lineage and the paternal lineage.

[59:28] Andy Walker: Okay, there we go. I got it.

[59:31] Emily Blefeld: And our intention in this moment is to support you. To be able to give back. Like, to take that block,

[59:40] that distinct fear of being publicly humiliated through failure,

[59:45] to be able to take that big block and find where it originates. Like, where that story that you kind of carry in your heart that maybe keeps you from taking a risk to grow something really big.

[01:00:00] We want to find a way to move it out from between you and your intention and into the back. So if you were to pick up that object for the block.

[01:00:08] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[01:00:09] Emily Blefeld: And just hold it in your hand.

[01:00:11] Andy Walker: Okay.

[01:00:12] Emily Blefeld: And then you’re going to hover it, like, above your grandmother, grandfather, fields, you know, behind your parents.

[01:00:23] Andy Walker: Okay.

[01:00:23] Emily Blefeld: And kind of feel, as you hold it over there, where. Where might it land? Like, if you were to. If it feels like energetically,

[01:00:31] this is somehow connected to somebody in the system. Who is this connected to?

[01:00:38] Andy Walker: Yeah, it feels like my mother’s line.

[01:00:43] Emily Blefeld: Right. So you might put it right there by your mother’s line.

[01:00:46] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[01:00:48] Emily Blefeld: And just kind of leave it there for a moment. And what we’re doing is we’re actually invoking the law of correspondence.

[01:00:56] If you think about the law of correspondence,

[01:00:59] everything that’s on a material level has an energetic field,

[01:01:03] an ancestral or spiritual field that corresponds with consciousness. So by putting something like the block in an object, you’re activating all the different dimensions of consciousness, and you’re communicating with it.

[01:01:15] So we’re actually talking to your maternal lineage right now and saying, hey, Andy’s carrying this terror,

[01:01:22] this, like, fear of being publicly humiliated through failure, and it keeps your descendant from growing into his deepest intention. And we’re just kind of directly communicating. So for a moment, just.

[01:01:34] We’ll be quiet.

[01:01:35] We’ll just let you kind of place that there and look at your maternal lineage. And in your mind’s eye, you don’t have to say anything out loud, but in Your mind’s eye.

[01:01:42] Ask for their support.

[01:01:44] Andy Walker: Okay.

[01:01:44] Emily Blefeld: You know, from within your heart. Just kind of ask for their support in releasing this block.

[01:01:50] And then, Dan, maybe we want to step into a meditative process or representation. You. I’ll let you take the next step from here.

[01:01:58] Dan Cohen: I. I would do.

[01:01:59] I think I would do one representative.

[01:02:03] Where. Do.

[01:02:04] Where that. Where’d that object land in relation to your.

[01:02:08] Your maternal lineage?

[01:02:09] Behind your mom is. It feels like a couple of steps behind your mom or right with her.

[01:02:15] Emily Blefeld: Where.

[01:02:15] Dan Cohen: Where did it. Where did you put it down?

[01:02:19] Andy Walker: So the.

[01:02:20] The object I put behind my mother that I guess represents. It feels like her father.

[01:02:25] And so I just put the object of where there’s the block on that object, which is her father. I think that’s what it feels energetically like.

[01:02:36] Speaker D: Okay, good.

[01:02:37] Dan Cohen: Then maybe we can do representations.

[01:02:43] If Andy, you represent the feeling that you have that you’ve been living with around wanting to grow, but being afraid of,

[01:02:55] you know, a kind of a spectacular failure that you don’t want to take on that risk. And so it kind of diminishes your capacity to fulfill your desire for growth.

[01:03:07] Represent that feeling and that it’s contracting, the contraction of it.

[01:03:12] And then, Emily, where do you want to go? What do you want to represent in the area of the blog?

[01:03:16] Emily Blefeld: I think I’d probably represent Andy’s mother. And then you represent Andy’s mother’s father.

[01:03:23] Dan Cohen: Sounds good.

[01:03:24] Emily Blefeld: So to do this, we’ll take a moment to kind of breathe and feel the soles of our feet. So if you’re doing this as a listener,

[01:03:34] you’re kind of begin to welcome the consciousness of your ancestors to sort of inhabit your body. You’re going to actually do what Dan and I are doing.

[01:03:44] So you might first stand as your block,

[01:03:48] and you just feel the soles of your feet under the earth and stand up and breathe and let your feet press into the ground. And then just imagine this bubble of consciousness around you.

[01:04:00] And as you breathe in and you breathe out, you become the consciousness of this resistance, this challenge, this block, this barrier.

[01:04:07] So for Andy, he’s actually becoming the feeling of that fear.

[01:04:12] He’s becoming the kind of fear of that failure.

[01:04:17] And he’s letting it kind of seep into his cells. And Dan is going to become the grandfather, and I’m going to become the mother.

[01:04:25] And it’s like channeling a bit, but it’s also letting you yourself, like, to really have this overlay.

[01:04:32] You might find your breathing changes.

[01:04:35] You might find your,

[01:04:36] you know, the way you’re holding your position in your body changes and then information get quiet and information just starts to arrive.

[01:04:44] And if you’re doing this alone, you would represent like,

[01:04:47] you know, the block.

[01:04:49] You’d represent the mother or the grandparent that you’re where you placed it and you’d kind of do all three. But for us, we’re gonna. We’re gonna have a conversation as these representatives.

[01:04:59] So we’ll just take a moment to get quiet.

[01:05:06] Andy Walker: Andy, jumping in here, there’s about a two or three minute silence here that I’ve cut out just so you don’t have to sit through it. But Dan and Emily are doing their work with their eyes closed right now.

[01:05:15] And I sit and I wait and then they come back once they’re ready.

[01:05:22] Emily Blefeld: And then. Dan, do you want to report first?

[01:05:30] Dan Cohen: So as I’m representing your grandfather, Andy,

[01:05:35] I have this awareness that I only exist as a story.

[01:05:39] Like my existence as. As a story is that’s what was handed. Passed down.

[01:05:48] But myself as an actual man,

[01:05:50] nobody has knows who I am or is really curious about it. They’re just with the story told about me and that. That’s like larger than life. And I’m. I feel diminished and I feel like,

[01:06:05] you know, my daughter is.

[01:06:09] I didn’t know.

[01:06:10] I don’t feel like I really have a connection with her.

[01:06:16] So I feel disconnected from her and from you, Andy, my grandson.

[01:06:23] But I live in you and I think I want to.

[01:06:28] I’d like to have a connection with you that’s beyond what you’ve been told about me,

[01:06:33] that I’m in your body and you can know me independent of the story and have. And just look at your mother and yourself with fresh eyes. If you can see yourself through my eyes.

[01:06:49] Emily Blefeld: As your. As your mother.

[01:06:51] I have a lot of story.

[01:06:52] Like I’m kind of reactive and angry and it’s like I’m kind of grabbing at you, Andy, like I want you.

[01:07:03] It’s almost like I’m going to recruit you to fill the black holes in my heart.

[01:07:08] It’s like I’m going to ask you to be my father. I’m going to ask you to be my husband. I’m going to ask you to be my.

[01:07:16] I’m not conscious of that. I’m just kind of grabbing at more and more and more. And then I feel sort of manipulative. Like maybe I’m going to stand be. I’m going to kind of make passive aggressive, manipulative comments at your wife or at your life.

[01:07:33] And like I’m going to get in there and kind of cause like set little fires left and right.

[01:07:38] And it’s,

[01:07:39] it’s honestly what calms me down is to cause that kind of outward chaos. Like I feel like I am asserting my place and securing my place with you by creating these conflicts.

[01:07:51] And I know you just want me in your life just like as a present,

[01:07:55] peaceful like mother or grandmother, whatever. And I, I,

[01:08:00] I have this like anxious kind of fire inside me. And no matter where I am, I’m like, you know, causing that like setting off unnecessary conflicts.

[01:08:10] So the only way how I would report this is just,

[01:08:15] it’s like I’m carrying on what was incomplete between my mother and my father and projecting it into everybody’s life.

[01:08:26] Just like I just feel like this lack, I don’t feel loved enough basically. And I want more and more and more and more and nothing’s ever going to actually calm that feeling of ****.

[01:08:39] And then on another side,

[01:08:41] I look at you and like I’m so proud of you. And I can’t manipulate that. I’m so busy like self medicating somehow. Whether it’s, I don’t know what it is, whether there’s, there’s ways that I just numb out my feelings and I can’t, I can’t really,

[01:09:00] I can’t really express how much, how proud I am of you. But I would say to avoid me, you need to stay pretty hidden.

[01:09:09] If you shined,

[01:09:10] if you shined in the world.

[01:09:12] Andy Walker: Laugh. Yeah.

[01:09:13] Emily Blefeld: But yes, it’s like Millionaire Success.

[01:09:16] I would see you and I’d find you and I’d kind of like hook my claws into you. And so you probably have become really skilled at avoiding having your light be seen because I’d probably absorb that light.

[01:09:29] Andy Walker: Yeah. Well, there’s, there is that, there is that. Certainly in the family,

[01:09:34] uh, the spotlight is very much not on me because I’m a bit of a black sheep and there’s a, there’s an energetic force in the family that is my mother that, that can be disruptive, you know, and boy, boy, did you ever nail it like that is that is what the relationship is and how the dynamic is going on.

[01:09:55] For sure. It’s amazing that you picked up on that.

[01:09:57] Emily Blefeld: I’m looking at my dad and it’s like I, I just want to say I, I yearn for you, you know, but I,

[01:10:06] I overcompensate for you not being here.

[01:10:08] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[01:10:09] Emily Blefeld: And it touches me at a core level.

[01:10:12] And then beyond that, I’ll say one last thing is I would probably put in an object for the great success of this lineage.

[01:10:21] Like, put something in behind your maternal lineage.

[01:10:26] Like, we put an object down for your maternal lineage, put one more in for the great success. Because I can feel that success matters. I can feel it’s an energetic currency that.

[01:10:37] That is a part of this family.

[01:10:40] It’s like, it. It has a place in this family. And by disconnecting from me, you’re not actually being able to inherit the wealth of the lineage.

[01:10:50] Andy Walker: Yes.

[01:10:51] Emily Blefeld: And I feel like somehow we have to.

[01:10:54] You know, as Emily. I’m saying this not as your mom. Somehow we have to. We have to thread the greatness of that field, that agricultural space in the far back.

[01:11:03] We have to, like, thread it through the back doors of her heart and through the front doors of her heart to you without you getting, like, woven into the tapestry of chaos of her.

[01:11:14] Her heel. Like, how do you take the gold and release and leave the rest?

[01:11:18] And so for listeners, I would do the same.

[01:11:21] You know, when you step into these fields, feel for, like, not just the burden, but the gift.

[01:11:26] Like, I can feel wealth is a gift of this lineage, and it just. And success is a gil. A gift of this lineage, and Andy belongs to it. We just have to find a way to stitch it forward.

[01:11:37] Andy Walker: Okay.

[01:11:38] Dan Cohen: Wow.

[01:11:39] Andy Walker: Wow. That’s cool. Okay.

[01:11:43] Emily Blefeld: Okay. So I think, Andy, anything you want to share about what it felt like to be that. That energetic or represent that fear?

[01:11:51] Andy Walker: Yeah, it’s just gross.

[01:11:54] It feels, like, sticky, black, nasty, like a big blob. And it’s just. It’s unpleasant. I can feel it in my body, and it’s just so unpleasant.

[01:12:03] Like. Like. Like really. Like I’ve been punched in the stomach or like, I don’t know. Like, it’s like there’s a physicality of gunk.

[01:12:12] Like,

[01:12:13] ick.

[01:12:14] You know, that just feels. And it just feels awful.

[01:12:19] That’s. That’s what was there as you were going through that.

[01:12:24] Right. And then. And then an alienation, too. That’s the other interesting thing that was very,

[01:12:28] very alienated, which is actually true in. In the present tense.

[01:12:32] I feel alienated from my family. But.

[01:12:35] But alienation is.

[01:12:37] Yeah, it’s. It’s like, I don’t fit in. I’m not quite there. I shouldn’t be there. I. Or I’m disconnected. It’s the disconnection, I think, the air gap between it, maybe.

[01:12:45] Emily Blefeld: Okay. Okay. Thank you. And just for context, did your grandfather. Your grandfather was an. Not present to your. To your mother?

[01:12:57] Andy Walker: No. No. He was a mystery until she was 36. And even now, she doesn’t know who. Who he was.

[01:13:03] Her stepfather was represented as her biological father until her mother came to see her in her 30s from England and told her that who she thought was her father was her stepfather and that there was this man that was basically her biological father.

[01:13:17] It was just a fling during the war in the 40s.

[01:13:22] Emily Blefeld: Okay. And do you know. Did she find him or do we know if he has another family or any of that?

[01:13:27] Andy Walker: We don’t. We’ve been unsuccessful in tracking him down. Even through, like, DNA and ancestry, like the 23 and me type thing. We haven’t seen anything.

[01:13:35] Emily Blefeld: Okay. Okay, great. Thank you.

[01:13:39] So when we. I think we’ll do. For the sake of a very shortened process, we’ll do a closing meditation that can bring some of this together.

[01:13:47] And, Dan, I would. Just as we’re. As you’re tuning into grandfather, just feel for biological father’s business,

[01:13:54] his wealth, his prestige. Like if. I’m sorry I said biological grandfather. I mean,

[01:14:01] bring that through as well.

[01:14:02] Speaker D: Okay.

[01:14:03] Emily Blefeld: Okay. And so, Andy, you can actually just close your eyes and breathe. And for those listening, we’ll do the same thing. Just close our eyes and breathe.

[01:14:11] And make sure you have an object for the deep resource behind the lineage that you just worked with.

[01:14:18] And we’ll offer just some closing meditation and reflection,

[01:14:24] actually engaging quantum science by engaging the observer effect to support the inner alchemy of your soul.

[01:14:33] So,

[01:14:34] Dan, why don’t you start, and then I’ll follow.

[01:14:37] And, Andy, you can just relax and listen.

[01:14:40] Andy Walker: Okay?

[01:14:44] Speaker D: Andy. The image I’m with.

[01:14:50] I’m really with your grandfather.

[01:14:55] And this.

[01:14:58] The incredible power of false stories, of false narratives,

[01:15:03] how they. They warp people’s reality.

[01:15:10] And the only connection I really have.

[01:15:19] Andy Walker: Is.

[01:15:21] Speaker D: This encounter with this young woman.

[01:15:26] Dan Cohen: That was.

[01:15:29] Speaker D: It felt like a holy moment for me when it was happening.

[01:15:35] That it was.

[01:15:37] It was a gift from her to me.

[01:15:45] And it meant the world to me.

[01:15:50] And then she was gone.

[01:15:57] Andy Walker: And.

[01:16:00] Speaker D: I never knew my daughter.

[01:16:02] I never knew of my daughter.

[01:16:07] But my daughter grew up knowing in her bones.

[01:16:15] In her bones and blood and cells,

[01:16:18] her skin. She knew that that man wasn’t her father,

[01:16:23] who she was told she grew up with Daddy.

[01:16:28] But her body knew differently.

[01:16:31] And it just creates such a split within her.

[01:16:36] You know, I’m.

[01:16:37] She’s my great success because I created her in that moment of compassion and passion.

[01:16:46] And then I became a ghost.

[01:16:50] So the healing is just to be able to see the man who’s your grandfather, just to see me and to recognize that your mothers My daughters,

[01:17:03] you know, she didn’t have a chance to have reality as it is from day one.

[01:17:12] The most basic fact of how she received her body,

[01:17:18] where that body came from and what’s its lineage was denied to her.

[01:17:22] And she grew up with a false narrative. And so it warps everything.

[01:17:28] So to see me and to just start feeling how I exist in you,

[01:17:35] because I’m there.

[01:17:37] I’m in every hair on your head and every thought you have,

[01:17:45] every action.

[01:17:47] I’m there in yourselves.

[01:17:52] And to be able to see me as a man doing what men do in times of war,

[01:17:58] and your grandmother as a young woman doing what women do in times of war,

[01:18:04] and your mother as a baby of war.

[01:18:09] And then to be able to,

[01:18:11] in your mind’s eye, see yourself through my eyes and see how you are,

[01:18:18] my great success without shame,

[01:18:22] without humiliation.

[01:18:24] That all comes from the twist of the narrative.

[01:18:28] But the reality is you exist.

[01:18:32] Dan Cohen: And.

[01:18:33] Speaker D: There’S no shame in your existence. There’s actually greatness. And when you look through my eyes, you’ll see it. That’s my image.

[01:18:48] Emily Blefeld: When I connect to your heart, Andy, I’m. I’m with your father’s back to you.

[01:18:54] Feel him.

[01:18:57] I feel his love. His, like, tremendous love for you and how painful it is for him to be at a distance.

[01:19:07] And so in this image, I’m just imagining him turning around to look at you and see you.

[01:19:14] And I’m aware that this is the pattern, this is the fractal,

[01:19:18] that there’s this, like, loving field of a father from a distance.

[01:19:25] Your grandfather didn’t know about your grandmother. I’m sorry. Your grandfather didn’t know about his daughter.

[01:19:34] And there’s some way that your mom has. It’s almost, like, unbearable for her to see,

[01:19:44] you know, to be able to witness and experience you have something maybe she didn’t have with your wife, with your family, with your life.

[01:19:56] It’s as if she sees it and it triggers that emptiness in her and something gets activated and she kind of creates enough conflict where you’re. You’re without.

[01:20:09] It’s like you’re that which maybe she loves the most.

[01:20:14] She disconnects from.

[01:20:16] And it’s. It’s as if she’s working out with you what lives between her and her father.

[01:20:23] Andy Walker: No. Wow.

[01:20:27] Emily Blefeld: And you could just feel in your. Your own heart,

[01:20:29] just turn around in your mind and. Or if you want to do it on the object, you can just turn the object around and have.

[01:20:35] Look into the eyes of your grandfather,

[01:20:40] and you might even pick up the object that is you,

[01:20:43] you know, the object, that’s you. And pull it back to the spot where maternal lineage is, where the grandfather could be.

[01:20:51] Just like pull yourself out of that spot and you could stand there behind your mother and just feel how she kind of how it it on you unconsciously end up there.

[01:21:02] Like the cast out kind of un,

[01:21:05] un, un not included part.

[01:21:10] And there’s no matter what business you create in your life, no matter where you are, like when you’re creating,

[01:21:16] it’s like you don’t, you don’t ever get to grow with it.

[01:21:20] He, this man never got to grow with his daughter. He created her, but he didn’t get to grow, he didn’t get to like reap the benefits of the fruit on the vine or you know,

[01:21:32] know what he’s what flowered. And my guess is you’ve started many things that flower and you’re not really there to harvest the pickings.

[01:21:42] And just like him, he’s not, he’s not there. He, had he known her, his life would have been totally different.

[01:21:48] But he wasn’t included in that way to be able to harvest the flowering of the vine. And you’re his flower.

[01:21:56] So you can turn and look at the maternal lineage and let your grandfather see you.

[01:22:01] Let him see you as the founder of Woobiz and how proud he is.

[01:22:05] You know, I think he’s a profound business person and also a service in service to his country.

[01:22:15] I have a feeling that there’s a success that you’re a descendant of a wealth you’re a descendant of and just let yourself belong to that in this moment. And at the same time you can tell him that you can’t really live your life from his place.

[01:22:30] And you could tell your mom your mind’s eye or even look at the object from your mom.

[01:22:35] I can’t fill the hole of your father and I can’t keep playing the part of that like vacant distant family member. I can’t do that. This is not my place to live from.

[01:22:50] And then you can move back from that nip on the vine, taking in the love. But put your object, put the object for yourself up front and then you might take that terror, that fear and move,

[01:23:04] leave it, leave it back with the maternal lineage and allow the object for yourself to move forward towards your intention for millions, for publicity,

[01:23:20] and for being able to stand and harvest the fruit of the vine that you create. Like to say, I seed a lot of things,

[01:23:28] but I don’t really benefit from like their full flowering. And you could just in this moment, as you look at that intention, imagine all your businesses that you’ve been seeding,

[01:23:41] and you can allow your grandfather to look at the.

[01:23:45] Look at the heart of his daughter.

[01:23:47] He can look, even though he might not know about her, he can still energetically make contact with the fact that he actually has a daughter.

[01:23:56] And you can make contact with the fact that you have these businesses and then imagine them flowering and letting yourself really harvest the fruit.

[01:24:09] And it’s apple season, so perhaps you go apple picking and let yourself be the apple, let your businesses be the apple.

[01:24:19] And in the far back, you might feel the ancestor who has the farms,

[01:24:25] who’s, you know, created the new industry,

[01:24:31] innovative technology,

[01:24:36] see the.

[01:24:37] See the heart of the one who succeeded and then failed,

[01:24:40] who lost it all,

[01:24:43] and just let him beam across the fields at you,

[01:24:47] letting him see that although he died perhaps a tragic death,

[01:24:52] his great grandson lives on and is still,

[01:24:56] you know, tending the soil and creating good crop, good corn.

[01:25:02] And I think that’s my image. And as we stand there, you can allow your mom to, instead of leaning towards you, grabbing from you, we can just let her lean back and feel the beating heart of her father behind her.

[01:25:15] She can lean back on his heart and feel his presence,

[01:25:21] and we can let her field move off of yours back there. So you can just be Andy, no longer the black sheep.

[01:25:32] That’s our image. And for those listening, you can do the same with your objects, kind of following what needs to be reconnected in the lineage and freeing your. The object for yourself to move forward, away from some of these patterns.

[01:25:47] You can open your eye. We can come back to the space.

[01:25:52] How are you, Andy?

[01:25:53] Andy Walker: It’s great. It’s just. Wow. I just feel like you’ve just pulled back the curtain on a bunch of stuff that has been hidden for a long time,

[01:26:03] and it feels authentic.

[01:26:05] I don’t know how you. I don’t know how you do it. I don’t know how you do it, but it’s remarkable.

[01:26:11] It’s just remarkable. Like some of the stuff you guys have pointed to, I mean, there are some elements that are. That I know are true and some that I can infer very easily because of the nature of how my family is and the.

[01:26:23] The relationships and. And the history.

[01:26:27] It’s pretty powerful. It’s pretty powerful stuff. Wow. And this is just. We just did this in an hour. I can’t imagine what’s possible in a.

[01:26:35] A course that goes for weeks. Wow.

[01:26:38] Incredible.

[01:26:38] Emily Blefeld: Yeah.

[01:26:39] Yeah, absolutely. It’s always inspiring to me and uh, and when we have the right container for it, the depths we can go to and the.

[01:26:49] And the transformation that happens is always beyond anything. And I’m just so grateful to people like you who give spaces for voices like ours to come forward. The woo to meet biz.

[01:27:01] Love that.

[01:27:03] Andy Walker: Right. Well, thank you.

[01:27:05] Dan Cohen: The woo is,

[01:27:07] you know, it’s a derogatory term that keeps people from their own wisdom, their own embodied wisdom, their own transcendent wisdom,

[01:27:17] their capacity to interact on a daily basis with nature, ancestors, and spirit. It all gets piled up,

[01:27:25] put into a bag called woo and put in the trash,

[01:27:29] and it’s ready to be restored to its rightful place as something that evolution built into the human form. We have this capacity, and we are part of a greater consciousness that is not generated by our brains, but is a consciousness of the universe, and we’re part of it, and we have access to it,

[01:27:50] and we can apply it in every aspect of our life. And,

[01:27:55] you know, we’re developing the tools because they have been suppressed for so many centuries.

[01:28:00] Materialism has spent centuries picking the petals off the flower at every chance.

[01:28:05] And it’s time to start,

[01:28:08] as Emily says, you know, start to plant the seeds and grow new flowers,

[01:28:13] because no matter what’s been done,

[01:28:16] the seed will create a whole and perfect flower when it. When it’s given an opportunity to grow.

[01:28:22] Andy Walker: Yeah, yeah, I see it completely,

[01:28:25] and I love how you address that. You know, the woo is a derogatory term, and we’re taking it back here. We’re taking it back because in my exploration of it, it always was like, oh, it’s a little too woo woo for me, you know,

[01:28:37] but now I’m kind of glad I am in the woo. And I think it’s the almost authentic part of being human.

[01:28:44] And you’re right, it’s been suppressed by the materialists and by, you know, those that sort of want to believe that we’re just meat sacks that breathe for 80, 80 years, then become dirt again, you know,

[01:28:56] and. And there’s it really there when you start to explore it, when you start to dig in, when you play with this stuff, when you do the things that you don’t think necessarily might be real, but you try it anyway, and then it.

[01:29:09] It turns into something that’s the most extraordinary, extraordinary experience. I feel so much more human now than I ever did before. I did before this work.

[01:29:20] It’s. It’s. It’s. It is. It is, and it’s. Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing this technology to the world because I think you’re making a massive difference and thank you for your time today.

[01:29:32] You’ve made a massive difference for me too.

[01:29:34] So beautiful.

[01:29:36] Before we go again one more time, let’s a little so how can people come and jump into this work? Because I think we’re going to get a lot of people are going to go, I want to do this too.

[01:29:45] So tell us in a minute or so again, just give us a little access to how do we what’s the best way to get and holding you guys and to explore what you offer.

[01:29:56] Dan Cohen: So you can,

[01:29:57] you know, you can find us Dan Cohen and Emily Blayfeld. Our practice is called Seeing with youh Heart,

[01:30:04] and we offer classes and courses and workshops.

[01:30:12] We have upcoming each of us offers a class.

[01:30:16] Mine is called Science, Myth and Magic where I unpack this the science and mysticism behind this revitalization of our capacity to have mystical connection. Emily’s offering a class called Generational Alchemy.

[01:30:33] Go ahead, Emily. You can share a bit about it.

[01:30:35] Emily Blefeld: This is a it’s there’s many versions of this course, so depending on when you listen to the podcast, it’s Generational Alchemy where magic meets manifestation. It’s returning to flow in life, work and relationships,

[01:30:48] or it’s bringing the path of purpose and the breadth of abundance to your practice, to your business,

[01:30:53] to your, you know, alchemical offering.

[01:30:56] And we are in both classes. We’re working with constellations and there’s a lot of personal work and professional work. We offer an Alchemical Constellations facilitator and certification training program for folks who want to learn how to heal generational trauma using your own practices, your own modalities, but also weaving systemic family constellations into your work.

[01:31:19] So wherever you’re interested in working with us, whether it’s private mentoring for practices, entrepreneurs, artists and visionaries,

[01:31:29] or one of these courses or workshops, you can check us out at Seeing with your heart. Com, click out, click the Contact Us page and you will be able to, you know, sign up for a consult for whichever offering most resonates for you.

[01:31:43] Or you can just check out the sites and,

[01:31:46] you know, book some sessions.

[01:31:47] Andy Walker: I noticed that you had like a free consult, right? You do. Like, people can sign up and then you basically work with them to figure out what the most natural step is.

[01:31:55] So I think that’s a really good offering and I encourage our listeners to if this is if this resonates with you, this work resonates with you, then jump in there and get one of those There is no obligation.

[01:32:04] Right. And they can just explore with you guys what would make the most sense.

[01:32:08] All right.

[01:32:08] Emily Blefeld: Absolutely.

[01:32:09] Andy Walker: Seeing with your heart.com is the website.

[01:32:12] Emily and Dan, you guys are rock stars. My woo. Rock stars. Thanks for being with me today.

[01:32:21] I think there’s going to be a lot more that we can do together. Maybe we’ll maybe explore something else in the future too. But in the meantime, I just want to say thanks for being with me today.

[01:32:30] Emily Blefeld: Thanks, Andy.

[01:32:31] Dan Cohen: Yeah, thanks Andy. And to what you’re creating. It’s really beautiful and much needed.

[01:32:39] Andy Walker: Thanks so much. That’s so great.

[01:32:40] All right, guys, well, that’s it for this week’s episode. Thanks for being Woobiz plus members. I hope you got massive value out of this. I certainly did.

[01:32:49] And I know that a lot of you are going to be knocking on these guys doors saying, hey, I want some of that good stuff too. Yes, please.

[01:32:56] And with that, my name is Andy Walker. This is Woo Biz.

[01:32:59] Thanks for being with us this week.

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