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Show Notes
In this episode of WooBiz, host Andy Walker sits down with Tree Ryde—hypnotist, NLP Master Practitioner, corporate trainer, and business coach. Known as the Human Whisperer, Tree reveals how tuning your “inner compass” can help leaders and entrepreneurs build discernment, improve communication, and thrive in uncertainty.
Together, Andy and Tree explore how hypnosis, nervous system awareness, and NLP can help you unlock hidden potential, communicate more effectively, and make confident decisions even when the path forward isn’t clear.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
How to stay calm, centered, and effective when dealing with difficult clients, employees, or situations.
What discernment really means—and why it’s a critical leadership skill.
How hypnosis helps reframe limiting beliefs and dissolve hidden blocks.
A practical exercise to spot whether someone is visual, auditory, or kinesthetic—and adapt your communication to match.
Why expectations create frustration in business and relationships, and how to reset them.
About Tree Ryde
Tree Ryde is an NLP Master Practitioner, Consulting Hypnotist, and Corporate Trainer with over 15 years of experience. She directs Business Growth Results and the Burlington Hypnosis Center, where she helps executives, entrepreneurs, and teams transform communication, dissolve blocks, and grow businesses with clarity and confidence.
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Related Links for This Episode
- Music by Dee Long (Klaatu): deelong.com
- The Surrender Experiment by Michael Singer
- Decoding Communciation Styles (blog post)
WooBiz+ Segment
In the WooBiz+ segment, Tree Ryde extends her coaching on communication and dives into handling difficult and frustrating people. She shares practical tools to decode communication styles, keep your energy steady, and redirect tense situations toward positive outcomes. A must-hear for leaders navigating tricky clients, employees, and business relationships.
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Transcript
[01:00] Andy W: Hey there and welcome to another edition of Woo Biz. I’m your host, Andy Walker, and this is the show where we mash up two worlds that don’t usually sit at the same table.
[01:10] Woo tactics, that’s my nickname for extra sensory skills, and good old fashioned business. Now, if you’re an entrepreneur, a leader, an innovator, or a creative brainiac looking for a non-traditional edge, you’re in exactly the right place.
[01:25] Our guest today is a hypnotist, a neuro linguistic programming practitioner, and a business coach. But honestly, I think she’s so much more than that. She brings her own brand of woo to the business conversation.
[01:37] So buckle up woo biz-ers, because this is going to be fun. Let’s get started. Today we’re joined by Tree Ride, an accomplished director of business growth results and the Burlington Hypnosis Center here in Ontario, Canada.
[01:52] Tree is an NLP Master Practitioner, Consulting Hypnotist, and Corporate Trainer who’s been studying with the Master Hypnotist Society for over 15 years. Some call her the Human Whisperer, and I love that, because of her uncanny ability to read people’s nervous systems and help leaders unlock hidden potential.
[02:12] Tree works with executives and entrepreneurs to break through unconscious blocks, improve communication, a key piece of today’s conversation, and to create the kind of presence that inspires real results. She combines strategy with deep human insight, and her passion for elevating others is contagious, as you’ll see.
[02:28] I’m thrilled to have her with us today to explore how hypnosis and nervous system awareness can transform leadership performance and improve communication.
[02:35] So welcome, Tree. How are you?
[02:37] Tree Ryde: Hey, thanks for having me, Andy. This is exciting.
[02:41] Andy W: It’s really great to have you,
[02:43] and especially somebody who’s considered the human whisperer. So let’s start there.
[02:48] So clearly you have a lot of roles and you have a lot of expertise.
[02:52] How did you get the moniker Human Whisper? What does that mean exactly?
[02:57] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[02:57] well,
[02:58] it’s interesting because I,
[02:59] obviously I didn’t come up with it. It just, people were mentioning that. And it was interesting because I’ve worked with like lots and lots of people teaching and training. Um, I’m also a North American NLP and hypnosis trainer under the Master Hypnotist Society.
[03:15] So just over time working with people,
[03:18] people were,
[03:19] are like, how do you know this about me? And how did you get that? And how did you, so it’s almost like a hum, they, they’re calling me a human whisperer because I’m picking up on things and speaking to things that they didn’t,
[03:31] they didn’t bring forth.
[03:32] So it’s almost like hitting the nervous system.
[03:36] Like it’s in hypnosis, we call it the power of suggestion.
[03:39] Speaker C: Mm-.
[03:39] Tree Ryde: And getting that power of suggestion just right. In the person, when the person’s nervous system is open just where it needs to be, that’s where change can happen.
[03:48] Andy W: That sounds to me like something that’s a little outside of the norm. I mean, we all communicate, we all read people.
[03:55] Would you say that you’re using your intuition and your other skills to kind of get information that maybe somebody else wouldn’t get from a particular individual?
[04:04] Tree Ryde: Yes, absolutely.
[04:05] And I’ll teach you about that. The common tendency for us as humans is We listen to what other people have to say,
[04:11] and then we are imagining what that person is saying in our own mind.
[04:16] When we imagine it in our own mind,
[04:18] we’re imagining it through all of our filters. An example of this is, and you’ll appreciate this one. So I was just speaking to somebody and they just moved here from England.
[04:27] So even though they’re like socializing with everybody here,
[04:32] whenever he’s hearing a story told by somebody else, he imagines the story in his head.
[04:37] In England because that’s his only context because he was saying like all over Canada, it’s just so like you can’t see as much. But in England, like you can see a lot more because there’s less land per se.
[04:50] That’s just how we naturally operate as humans. But when I’m working with somebody,
[04:55] I’m not necessarily, of course, I’m hearing what they’re saying, but I’m looking at their mannerisms. I’m noticing what their energy is like. I’m noticing their breath rate, their IQs.
[05:06] Because when we tell stories or we’re in our in like woe is me or self-pity or in an unuseful emotion,
[05:17] that that means that that person has already told the story to themselves multiple times.
[05:23] So for me, if I’m reading somebody, I’m not necessarily listening to fully of what they’re saying, but I’m watching all the other cues about them.
[05:32] From energy to anything else.
[05:34] Andy W: And this is something you’re doing naturally, something you’ve trained to do, or like, where does this ability come from?
[05:42] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[05:43] so great question.
[05:44] So a little bit of everything.
[05:45] So I’ve trained,
[05:47] of course, for about 15 years in hypnosis, NLP,
[05:51] and other,
[05:52] trainings along that realm.
[05:55] But I, somebody asked me this probably about five years ago and I really thought about it because I thought, how is it that I’m picking up on these things. And everybody would ask me that because they’re like, How are you picking up on these things?
[06:06] And I think for me growing up at a very young age, as around 10 years old,
[06:12] I really had to advocate for myself.
[06:15] So being that age and not being 10 years old, you don’t know much about being an adult or doing these things. So I think I really built this skill because I had to navigate just life in general to make sure that I was safe, right?
[06:30] Like I wasn’t on the streets or anything like that, but it just wasn’t the most welcoming atmosphere in my home.
[06:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[06:37] Tree Ryde: So I really had to kind of navigate things to get my needs met.
[06:40] And for me,
[06:43] talking about communication,
[06:44] I communicate more by touch. I think I always have. And physical, like I, if I want to go do something, I’ll go and do it. It’s, it’s not easy for me to,
[06:54] break down a process and explain to somebody else what that process is, I will just go and do it. And that’s how I operate as a human being.
[07:02] That’s just one way,
[07:03] right?
[07:04] Some people, they like to talk it through or analyze it and make sure that they have all the steps before they do anything.
[07:10] So when we communicate with ourselves and others, it’s very different.
[07:14] But I do believe that because I was had to go through all the things I did growing up,
[07:20] it made it, it, it accidentally on purpose made this kind of skill. And then I also worked in the fashion industry downtown Toronto for about 13 years.
[07:31] So I learned a lot about people in that.
[07:37] And also that was before social media or technology. So you really were integrated in actual human connection.
[07:44] And I think that’s an important thing for people to experience more even now.
[07:49] I think they should force themselves to connect with human interaction more.
[07:56] Andy W: I 100% agree with you. 100% agree with you. And I’ll tell you why. I look at the trends. I look at how even how people are hiring these days. They’re looking for people skills.
[08:06] They’re looking for the soft skills that make that if you read them,
[08:11] it’s the innate humanness of who we are that the employer is looking for. Connection, communication,
[08:17] affinity,
[08:19] you know, those,
[08:20] the ability to understand somebody, high EQ, those kinds of things,
[08:25] right? They’re like, that seems to be the, the direct,
[08:27] if you look at any kind of resume site, that’s often what they’re looking for besides the hard skills. And I think that, and that’s kind of the point of WOUBIZ in general is that, okay, so we understand the basics of business and strategic stuff,
[08:42] but what about the intuition? What about that human to human connection? What about the unspoken method of exchanging energies and words and information like that. That’s the thing that we have to train.
[08:54] And have you seen that in your practice? Have you seen that when you bring that forward for somebody to help them with that,
[09:00] that they start to thrive in their roles? Do you have any stories about that?
[09:05] Tree Ryde: Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I work with a lot of businesses and specifically with the business owner or upper level management.
[09:13] At least one of them,
[09:14] they need to have discernment.
[09:16] So some people, they have it naturally. Like I,
[09:19] again,
[09:19] like I don’t know if it was just something I was born with or it’s something that I grew within myself unknowingly just because of the experiences that I had growing up.
[09:30] But discernment is so important when it comes to being a business owner because if it helps you make a decision.
[09:39] Very quickly and you’re going on to the next thing.
[09:46] Andy W: Hey, it’s Andy here. I think it’s worth defining discernment at this point before we continue this conversation.
[09:52] It’s the ability to judge well and to see beyond the obvious. In business,
[09:56] it’s that gut sense that helps you spot the right deal, say no to the wrong client, and make clear choices when data isn’t complete.
[10:03] You can call it your inner compass.
[10:10] Tree Ryde: A lot of business owners, again, going back to the like, well, let’s figure out a process.
[10:15] And it’s holding businesses back from growing because so many people can get caught up for months creating a process for something and then they second guess themselves and go back to the drawing board.
[10:27] And in that time,
[10:29] their competitors are shifting and changing. The world is shifting and changing.
[10:33] So by the time, if somebody isn’t in discernment or making a decision or trusting their gut,
[10:38] which a lot of people would call it too,
[10:40] then your business isn’t growing as fast as how it should.
[10:44] So for example,
[10:44] too, it’s a having discernment is a double edged sword. So when, if a business owner has great discernment and they’re like, we’re going this way,
[10:53] the common tendency is that a lot of the people that work within the company that they don’t have the discernment.
[11:00] And that they’re a little bit of the opposite, which is good as a business. You want complimentary people working for you.
[11:06] But what happens in those people’s nervous system is it starts to freak out because they’re like, well, where are we going? What are we doing? Why are we going this direction?
[11:14] They didn’t tell us that. And so there can be a little bit of a disconnect and fear if the person with discernment doesn’t have good people to kind of like translate to the rest of the company.
[11:26] Andy W: And so how do you develop discernment if you don’t have it?
[11:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[11:29] Tree Ryde: So it’s an energetic thing and great question,
[11:32] by the way,
[11:33] right?
[11:34] So it’s really an energetic thing of awareness.
[11:38] So it’s trusting in the unknown and it’s putting yourself in experiences to be totally okay about the unknown and the more,
[11:49] and it has to be experience based,
[11:51] you have to have Enough experiences of keeping your nervous system,
[11:57] your body, your emotions calm when there is an element of the unknown around.
[12:04] And the more that somebody has more and more experiences in that direction,
[12:10] the more discernment they’ll end up getting.
[12:13] Andy W: So,
[12:13] if you encounter then a client who doesn’t have discernment, what’s your primary coaching directive, like what are the practices that they can,
[12:21] or is there a process,
[12:23] is there step by step, or is there just something about developing your own awareness of human being or energize?
[12:28] Tell me, what do you do with somebody who shows up and they’re not discerning at all? They don’t know how to make a decision.
[12:33] They’re afraid of change,
[12:35] and they’re very unpredictable or frenetic in the face of uncertainty. Because I’m assuming that’s what you’re pointing to here, right?
[12:45] Tree Ryde: That’s right.
[12:45] That’s right. And people like this, they’re, they’re holding onto something and they’re generally trying to hold onto something that they’re trying to prove about themselves.
[12:53] And it’s not on purpose, right? Like all of us,
[12:56] there’s so much of us,
[12:59] each and every individual human beings that we’re trying to prove something about ourselves. And in neuro linguistics and what they call meta models,
[13:08] that somebody, they’re either trying to prove that they’re free or trying to prove that they’re safe and secure.
[13:14] Speaker C: Right?
[13:15] Tree Ryde: Or that they know the rules or that they’re smart. If somebody is has lack of discernment,
[13:21] they’re stuck in trying to prove the rules or trying to prove that they’re smart because they’re what I like to call the hungry, hungry hippos. Remember that game with the 1980s?
[13:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[13:32] Tree Ryde: Yeah, yeah. With the marbles and be like,
[13:34] information,
[13:35] information,
[13:36] information,
[13:36] information.
[13:38] Discernment is not about information.
[13:40] So I would put them through exercises of them just going and doing something with zero information because you’re forced to use discernment when you don’t have it.
[13:53] Imagine trying to find a place where you want to go.
[13:57] Say I said to you, okay, you know what? Go to the Palmer area in Burlington.
[14:02] Well,
[14:02] you’d have to figure out where and do it without Google.
[14:07] Oh,
[14:07] yeah.
[14:07] Andy W: Okay. I’m gonna end up in Winnipeg.
[14:12] Tree Ryde: Well,
[14:12] but it’s like, and back in the day, we had like a Pearley’s map.
[14:16] We had like,
[14:17] or even trusting your gut about like, oh, okay, the sun’s over here or just getting into energetically of what feels right,
[14:26] right?
[14:27] Because if we are in information,
[14:29] information does not feel right in our nervous system because Words, language is something that we actually created. So when you look at humans as a species,
[14:38] that this energetic piece of us is a predominant piece in us, but it got tempered down by society and creating structures, and you have to go to school, you have to do this, and you have to do that.
[14:52] So it almost like took away that energetic sixth sense,
[14:57] I guess some people call it too.
[14:59] Andy W: Well, I mean, I think discernment is kind of a critical skill for entrepreneurs and business people in general, because,
[15:04] especially these days,
[15:06] look at what’s going on in the marketplace,
[15:08] with the terrorists across the world stemming from the US leadership and that sort of thing.
[15:14] There’s uncertainty everywhere. There’s wars going on. There’s,
[15:17] I don’t know where the next dollar is coming from in many cases. If I’m pushing, I’m in a particular marketplace and things are rocky and uncertain, it’s terrifying for some people to be in that place.
[15:28] So I think,
[15:29] being okay with the unknown and almost dancing with it.
[15:34] Because I think if you dance with the unknown, the uncertainty, sometimes wonderful things show up, right?
[15:40] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[15:40] that’s right.
[15:41] And even being okay with the unknown financially, because any business owner knows that there’s ups and downs when it comes to finances.
[15:49] And if people start to stress about it, then they’re putting an energy on money that Hey, money is just stored options.
[15:58] So if they’re putting too much attention, time, and energy into just,
[16:02] if they see their bank account go down,
[16:04] what goes down must come up. What goes up must come down. And if people add too much emotion to that,
[16:10] then it’s also gonna hurt their business.
[16:12] So it’s okay to totally be, you have to be okay with the unknown to grow your business for sure.
[16:19] Andy W: Completely, completely. Is this something you came by naturally?
[16:25] Tree Ryde: For what I’m doing?
[16:28] Yeah.
[16:28] Yeah, I would say so interesting thing. Like I didn’t wake up one morning and say, Hey, let’s be a hypnotist. Like I literally,
[16:35] I was,
[16:36] I was working and advertising during the day and then I was teaching yoga and meditation in the evening time.
[16:43] And during advertising, I was doing advertising for the Burlington Hypnosis Center and I thought, oh, she,
[16:50] teaches,
[16:50] this is cool. This will help with yoga because people would get into postures, but they’d still be in their head.
[16:57] So I just thought, oh, you know what? I’ll take that course.
[17:00] And then all of a sudden I was working here and I just fell in love with it and it just really felt right for me.
[17:09] So, yeah, the universe works in different ways. It presents you things and opportunities.
[17:14] And when you take that opportunity,
[17:15] all of a sudden you’re settled into where you’re meant to be.
[17:19] Andy W: Yeah,
[17:20] I’m completely with you there. Completely with you there.
[17:24] There’s this great book called the Surrender Experiment, which is about just allowing the world to happen in front of you and to be okay with what it puts in front of you.
[17:35] And I think we resist that.
[17:38] We resist that reality of the situation.
[17:42] And sometimes,
[17:45] if we just give in to what’s happening around us and go with the flow, sometimes that lack of resistance actually takes us to the next place.
[17:52] Almost like you try to go against the flow of a river, you’re never going to get over the waterfall. But if you go with it, it’s actually going to be a pretty good ride.
[17:59] And maybe you’ll find something interesting along the way.
[18:02] But I think it speaks again to the discernment,
[18:05] being okay with discernment and to developing yourselves in that, because look,
[18:09] sometimes the energy is going to take you in a particular way and you have to deal with it.
[18:12] Speaker C: Right.
[18:12] Tree Ryde: Mm-. Well, go ahead.
[18:14] Andy W: Go ahead.
[18:16] Tree Ryde: Oh, I was just gonna add one more thing. Like if this sermon, if you have employees,
[18:20] you wanna make sure,
[18:21] like I have a lot of discernment, so I can easily just go in another direction. So I make sure that I’m,
[18:27] checking in with my employees of where they’re at.
[18:31] And, and sometimes I’ll have to break it down a little bit or allow them to take smaller steps than what I’m taking in order to catch up.
[18:38] So it’s like as a business owner, you can’t be frustrated if employee, if you have strong discernment and your employees are a little bit slower, that’s totally okay because they’re also gonna pick up on a little bit of details along the way that’s gonna help you.
[18:54] So,
[18:55] yeah.
[18:55] Andy W: What’s your coaching in terms of like, okay, so I have a business that has people that aren’t particularly discerning and I’m really discerning myself.
[19:04] What’s the panacea here for making it okay for them?
[19:10] Tree Ryde: So it’s asking them,
[19:11] so if people aren’t discerning, they’re probably stuck in processes or tasks, right? Discerning people,
[19:18] they’re more people oriented and probably task oriented.
[19:23] So the meeting point is the tasks.
[19:25] So it’s breaking it down to getting them more focused on tasks as opposed to a decision that you made.
[19:32] Because people can get fixated by,
[19:35] why did they do that? What are they doing?
[19:37] And if you get them focused on tasks and process,
[19:41] then they’re like, oh, okay, I see the road to where we’re going,
[19:45] right?
[19:45] Andy W: Oh, very good.
[19:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[19:47] Tree Ryde: And also reminding them about the transferable skills. So if they are in fear because you’re changing something, you’re like, Hey, you already know how to do this. We’ve done this in the past.
[19:56] We’re just doing it in a different way.
[19:57] So you’re kind of creating that bridge.
[19:59] So their mind-body-spirit is still in alignment and they’re excited, comfortable,
[20:06] still gaining productivity and they’re totally on board for the pivot.
[20:12] Andy W: Totally makes sense, yeah,
[20:13] very good.
[20:14] So is there a,
[20:16] speaking of steps, is there a process for engaging like this or is it a matter of, like,
[20:21] perhaps the answer here, maybe you just gave me the answer,
[20:24] which is, Okay, we’re going in that direction. It’s a new direction.
[20:27] Here are the tasks, right?
[20:30] The statement may be, Here are the new tasks.
[20:32] It’s okay, here are the new tasks. Or here are the new steps. Would that be a fair assessment?
[20:39] Tree Ryde: Yes. And what I would add too is that you’re checking into the person’s communication state,
[20:45] meaning are they communicating visually? Are they communicating auditorily?
[20:52] Are they kinesthetic, right?
[20:54] Because if,
[20:55] if,
[20:56] say, for example.
[20:59] Speaker C: And.
[20:59] Tree Ryde: And I come into this exact situation quite a bit that there will be like a manager or business owner that’s very auditory.
[21:06] So they might talk a little bit loud or they talk really fast,
[21:10] but they try to teach their staff from an auditory words perspective where The majority of the population are visual and kinesthetic, like taking information in by learning by doing,
[21:26] right?
[21:26] Andy W: Mm-.
[21:27] Tree Ryde: And then learn by seeing.
[21:29] So if you,
[21:30] as a business owner, if you’re auditory or even a CEO or C-suite or,
[21:37] management and you’re auditory,
[21:40] you need to learn how to teach your staff.
[21:44] Or communicate in a visual and kinesthetic way.
[21:48] Because if you don’t, then your employees will be,
[21:51] they’ll blow things off, they won’t understand,
[21:54] or they’ll put pressure on themselves to do whatever the project is,
[21:58] but they’ll still be in worry that they’re not doing it right.
[22:01] Andy W: Yeah,
[22:02] I totally get that. Like if somebody,
[22:04] I’m not auditory myself. Like if you say, Hey, Andy, here’s step one, two, three.
[22:09] Yeah, I have to go do it.
[22:10] I have to go do it for myself.
[22:12] I can get instructions that way, but you’ll never sell me whole, you know, wholesale unless I go through it myself,
[22:20] right?
[22:20] Tree Ryde: I think that’s- Right, so you’re kinesthetic. I’m kinesthetic as well. That’s your main communication driver.
[22:27] Andy W: Yeah,
[22:27] yeah,
[22:28] 100%. I’m saying, you know, hey Andy, make sure you go upstairs and get the X.
[22:32] It looks like this.
[22:34] First go upstairs,
[22:35] it’s in the second drawer.
[22:37] Right.
[22:38] And then like, oh, I’ve never been up there before. Okay, well, let me show you. We usually keep it here.
[22:44] Oh,
[22:44] here.
[22:44] Okay, now I get it.
[22:47] Tree Ryde: That’s funny, too. I was talking to my husband the other day because he’s like, Hey, babe, where’s my pants? And I was like, oh, they’re just in the closet on the second shelf.
[22:58] And he comes down, he’s like, no, they’re not there. And I was like, Seriously, they’re on the second shelf. They’re like,
[23:05] you know, and he goes back upstairs, you know, no, they’re not there. I go upstairs. They’re exactly where I put them.
[23:10] And he was like, oh, man,
[23:12] I go,
[23:13] it’s totally natural that he wouldn’t get it because I have a visual memory because I put it away.
[23:20] So I can visually remember where it is, what it looks like, what it looks like folded up. Like when you think about pants,
[23:28] when you, when even People listening to this, when I say the word pants, they’re either thinking about the pants they’re wearing or pants like, just spread out somewhere or whatever.
[23:39] But when they’re folded up, your brain doesn’t actually like, compute because your brain’s looking for pants, right? So- Looking for long, long fabric things.
[23:48] Andy W: That are hanging potentially not folded up and looking like a square, right? Or something like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think men are like that. And I don’t, I don’t know if that’s true from a gender perspective, but it feels like it, like somehow I think men are visually oriented.
[24:02] Tree Ryde: I think it’s,
[24:04] I think it’s more too that like women want things in certain,
[24:09] like,
[24:10] like even if,
[24:11] if you, if he did his own laundry and put it, I enjoy laundry, okay, but he cleans the toilet. So, hey, I got a fair deal.
[24:19] So,
[24:21] but,
[24:22] but yeah, but I,
[24:23] it’s more of like a memory thing. I wouldn’t say it’s male female. It’s more like a,
[24:27] if you,
[24:28] Even if,
[24:30] say,
[24:30] he went grocery shopping and he put everything away and I asked where it is,
[24:35] he has the visual acuity of where it is that he put whatever.
[24:40] Andy W: Yeah,
[24:40] no, that makes a lot of sense. Very good. Okay, good.
[24:43] So let me just pivot here.
[24:45] Speaking of discernment and shifting gears a little bit,
[24:48] let me ask you about how hypnosis factors into all this. Because obviously you’re a trained hypnotist.
[24:54] So,
[24:55] so where does that factor into your work and into this conversation?
[25:00] Tree Ryde: Oh,
[25:01] yeah.
[25:01] So like hypnosis is just such a magical thing when it comes to us as human beings. We’re constantly,
[25:08] constantly creating concepts in our mind all day long. That’s all we do, right?
[25:13] Like,
[25:14] sure.
[25:15] We’re taking in information around us. There are situations that we got to go through and every day is comprised of a situation after a situation after a situation.
[25:24] Every situation has an emotion attached to it.
[25:26] So with hypnosis, it’s changing the concepts in the mind to align with outcomes,
[25:33] right?
[25:34] Okay.
[25:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[25:36] Tree Ryde: Like put really put at a high level and simplistic way is,
[25:41] and,
[25:42] we follow a lot of like,
[25:44] Virginia Satir,
[25:46] Milton Erickson. So Milton Erickson is when In terms of hypnosis, it’s more about third party stories.
[25:53] Because we learn more from third party stories than we do.
[25:58] Just somebody saying like, oh, you need to do this, you need to do that.
[26:02] People, the tendency, they will not do it.
[26:05] It’s more about getting people into their imaginations and being able to make their own decisions and discernment about it.
[26:13] Speaker C: Right.
[26:14] Andy W: Very good. So do you use just hypnosis as a therapy or a process? To help people with discernment, for example?
[26:23] Tree Ryde: Absolutely. So when people are in such a relaxed state,
[26:27] they are open and susceptible to suggestion.
[26:31] So through hypnosis,
[26:33] you can get people into a very,
[26:35] very relaxed state so that they’re open to all kinds of different suggestions when it comes to what we call embedded commands.
[26:47] And just metaphors and getting them to imagine themselves doing something a different way. So,
[26:56] for example,
[26:57] say for you, say you created a concept in your mind.
[27:01] Speaker C: That.
[27:03] Tree Ryde: You’Re terrified to go skydiving.
[27:05] Okay,
[27:06] but yet you signed up for the military and you’re awesome at absolutely everything.
[27:11] But you’re like, I ain’t jumping out of a plane.
[27:14] Andy W: CB: Right, right.
[27:15] Tree Ryde: And this is actually a really dramatic thing. Maybe I should have used something a little bit less dramatic,
[27:20] but through hypnosis, you can view it in a different way of freedom.
[27:27] Speaker C: Right?
[27:28] Andy W: CB: Right.
[27:29] Tree Ryde: What is it about skydiving that could be safe?
[27:32] Speaker C: Right?
[27:33] Andy W: You’re recontextualizing it.
[27:35] Tree Ryde: That’s right.
[27:36] That’s right.
[27:38] And there’s lots of,
[27:40] there’s so many depths to it. And the thing that I love about it the most is that every human being is so different.
[27:48] There’s not one the same.
[27:49] And so every hypnosis session is completely different.
[27:55] Every human that I work with,
[27:57] totally different.
[27:58] So I love it. It’s impossible to get bored.
[28:03] Andy W: What kind of problems do business people bring you when you’re considering using hypnosis on them? What kind of problems can you solve for business people with it?
[28:16] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[28:16] so it’s all pattern-based as well.
[28:19] So in any business,
[28:21] we can just like any relationship at all,
[28:23] business owners, they have a relationship with their business,
[28:26] they have a relationship with the people in the business, whether it’s a vendor,
[28:29] or employees,
[28:32] business partner.
[28:33] So communication, conflict,
[28:35] even conflict with self.
[28:37] So the main themes would be either self-doubt, stress, frustration.
[28:43] Communication is huge,
[28:46] huge. And that communication is like this big umbrella when it comes to judgment,
[28:52] anger,
[28:54] just resentment, different emotions.
[28:57] That can come out in different ways when it comes to communicating.
[29:01] So that,
[29:02] I would say that those would be like the big ones that I would be working with business owners. Also bad habits. So like drinking a little bit too much, biting nails, smoking.
[29:12] Andy W: Sure. All those well-being things, yeah, for sure.
[29:15] Tree Ryde: Yeah, yeah. So those things too. Everything has to be on the table, for sure.
[29:19] Andy W: Very good, very good.
[29:21] So let’s talk a little bit about communication. Because I know that the exercise you’re going to show us is is centered around that.
[29:30] What would you say is the biggest challenges for business people in terms of their inability or their failure to communicate effectively? Like what are you seeing out there in the ground among business people?
[29:41] Where do they struggle the most?
[29:44] Tree Ryde: I would say relationships to have like a balance between,
[29:48] so say they’re married and they have kids,
[29:52] or sometimes they They’re paying too much attention to their business and not enough attention to family.
[30:01] And so that it’s creating strain on their home life.
[30:05] Or they’re paying too much attention to their business and not enough attention to themselves when it comes to health and wellness.
[30:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Right.
[30:14] Tree Ryde: And then another one that I would add that I find that business owners get frustrated with is their expectations.
[30:22] So the interesting thing about all of us as human beings is that we perceive in our own mind of how we believe that something’s going to turn out,
[30:32] right? So we either come up with an idea in our head,
[30:35] even if it’s as simple as just going to a new restaurant.
[30:38] So even if you’re like, oh, I’m going to this restaurant tonight and I’m going to go there with so and so and so and so.
[30:46] And so you visualize what the restaurant’s going to be like. You visualize what the food’s going to be like. You get a sense of like, oh, it’s going to be fun.
[30:53] And then when you go there,
[30:55] everything was the opposite of what you thought it would be.
[30:58] Sometimes it could be the opposite of,
[31:02] in a good way,
[31:04] right?
[31:04] Like some people, they can always go negative when they’re creating those expectations.
[31:09] And some people can go positive when it comes to expectations.
[31:14] The positive people,
[31:15] sometimes they end up in disappointment.
[31:18] The,
[31:19] People that are trying to look at what could possibly go wrong,
[31:26] then sometimes they can stay at looking at what’s going wrong. So through hypnosis and neuro linguistics is getting them to see the possibility because so many people can stay in the what ifs and worry.
[31:39] And then it’s like,
[31:42] again,
[31:42] it’s lack of communication or blame.
[31:45] Or different things like that. So,
[31:47] yeah.
[31:47] Andy W: Well, you can completely see how, you know, if I have an expectation of an employee to do their job properly and then they don’t, or if I have an expectation they do it a certain level or for a certain amount of time and then they don’t,
[31:59] you know, where I go immediately is what’s wrong with them?
[32:03] Like,
[32:03] why don’t they get this?
[32:05] Speaker C: Right?
[32:05] Tree Ryde: Yeah.
[32:06] Andy W: Or,
[32:07] or,
[32:07] or if you don’t specify expectations, like I, in this role, I expect you to do the following things and then the person doesn’t.
[32:14] That can also cause conflict too, right? Like you, you have an expectation that they’re going to do the job properly based on what’s in my head, the boss,
[32:22] right?
[32:23] Tree Ryde: Yeah.
[32:24] Andy W: And if I don’t communicate that, then I can get myself into a little bit of trouble, no?
[32:29] Tree Ryde: Absolutely. Like I,
[32:31] and I’ll give you an example of, of exactly that. Like,
[32:34] so another company that I have, it’s,
[32:37] we build a website.
[32:39] And so I am what’s called inferred.
[32:42] Speaker C: Right?
[32:43] Tree Ryde: So inferred means like,
[32:45] if I tell my husband to go take the clothes out of the dryer and I just say,
[32:50] take the clothes out of the dryer,
[32:52] but I’m inferring to fold them and bring them upstairs.
[32:55] Andy W: Yeah, right. Right?
[32:57] Tree Ryde: Where as a literal person would literally just take the clothes out of the dryer. And with the website business,
[33:05] when I was like,
[33:08] articulating to my team of what needed to change with whatever the website was, I had a very literal employee.
[33:14] Andy W: Mm-.
[33:15] Tree Ryde: So like I would write down notes of what to change and then I would see what she did and then I’d look at it, I’d be like, oh,
[33:23] yeah,
[33:24] okay, that’s literally exactly what I wrote.
[33:26] Speaker C: Right.
[33:27] Tree Ryde: But just so it’s, that’s one of the biggest communication, hiccups in, yeah, I.
[33:37] Andy W: Can completely see that. Like there’s no extrapolation.
[33:40] I have a developer I work with. He’s amazing, amazing. And I’ll say, Hey, can you do X? Like the website’s running slow. And it’ll go off and he’ll fix all the problems and make it slow.
[33:52] And he’ll find other things in the process and he’ll expand and it’ll be great. He’ll go, I did these other things too, because I think it’ll help. And I’m like, wow, that’s crazy.
[34:02] So he’s inferring, right? He understands my inference that the website is slow, but it needs so much more than that. It needs kind of probably a health checkup of some sort.
[34:06] Where he needs remedy multiple issues with it to satisfy my concern about it.
[34:11] Speaker C: Right?
[34:12] Andy W: Versus, as you said, it’s, well, it’s faster now. I just put more RAM in the machine. Yeah, I know, but you didn’t fix the images and we didn’t do all these other things that are dragging it down.
[34:21] Well, but I made it faster. You asked me to make it faster.
[34:23] And I did.
[34:25] But I can see how that’s so not satisfying in a working interaction.
[34:33] Speaker C: Right.
[34:33] Andy W: Like you said, literal is can be a problem.
[34:36] Interesting, very interesting. Okay, so you said you had a really great exercise for us around communication to help us with some of these issues.
[34:43] So let’s jump into that.
[34:45] Where do we start with that?
[34:49] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[34:49] so a couple of things that I wanted to do. So we already spoke about being visual, auditory, and kinesthetic,
[34:58] right?
[34:59] And so the best way that we want everybody to be is to be a little bit more visual, right? Because when you picture things,
[35:07] our brain sorts by connection.
[35:11] So if we’re thinking about and seeing what it is that we want,
[35:16] all of a sudden our brain is going to pick that up, right?
[35:19] Some people call it manifesting, but there’s even like,
[35:22] there’s some cool woo-woo stuff to that.
[35:25] But there’s also like scientific facts that an example of that is say a friend or family member bought a new vehicle, you go look at the vehicle, all of a sudden you see the vehicle all over the road, right?
[35:36] Andy W: Sure. Yeah, yeah. You see, I bought, I bought a green car. Suddenly there’s green cars everywhere, right?
[35:43] Tree Ryde: Or I’m thinking about buying a green car. Suddenly there’s green cars everywhere. Yeah. So the exercise is basically how is it that people can find out who,
[35:52] like,
[35:52] the people that are closest to them, how is it that they can find out if they’re visual, auditory, or kinesthetic?
[35:59] So that’s what I want to teach all of you guys.
[36:02] Andy W: Oh, let’s do it.
[36:03] Tree Ryde: Yeah.
[36:03] So in large groups, what I’ll do is I’ll go around and I’ll ask a whole bunch of people different questions, and then I’ll just mention to them that they’re either visual, auditory, or kinesthetic.
[36:15] And it’s pretty cool in a very large setting, but Andy, you’re my only victim right here.
[36:22] Andy W: Okay, well, let’s do it.
[36:24] Tree Ryde: Yeah.
[36:25] So I’m just gonna describe to people because they can’t see us. I’m gonna describe to you. I’m gonna ask you to just take off your glasses for me for a moment.
[36:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[36:35] Andy W: Okay.
[36:35] Tree Ryde: Because I have to see your face. Okay. So I’m just gonna ask you some questions, and you’re just gonna Answer them. It’s that simple and easy. Okay?
[36:48] Andy W: Okay. And so, so somebody would replicate this with an employee, for example, or something like that.
[36:53] Tree Ryde: Is that what you’re suggesting here? Yeah. Yeah. And you can even do it like, if you’re, if you’re doing this at work or at home, it’s totally casual, right? Like you’re just asking somebody questions, but we’re looking, what we’re looking at here is IQs.
[37:08] Okay. So I’m going to talk people through. And I’m going to describe what I’m seeing because I know they’re just listening.
[37:14] So do you have any pets at home?
[37:17] Andy W: I do. I have a dog and a cat. Two cats.
[37:20] Tree Ryde: And a cat? Two cats. And what’s your, what’s the two cats names?
[37:25] Andy W: Fergie and Boo.
[37:28] Tree Ryde: Okay.
[37:29] So when I just asked Andy that,
[37:32] his I cues looked up.
[37:34] So he’s looking for the answer.
[37:36] Okay?
[37:37] So if you ask somebody a question and they’re looking up,
[37:41] that means that they’re going visual at that moment,
[37:44] right?
[37:46] Yeah,
[37:47] it is.
[37:48] And so teach me about how you met your wife.
[37:53] Andy W: We took a series of courses in Toronto.
[37:58] Tree Ryde: So he just keeps on looking up each time. Okay, keep going.
[38:03] Andy W: And feeling self-conscious here.
[38:07] So we met at a series of leadership courses and got to know each other over a period of time.
[38:15] And we were in, I was married and she was in a relationship when we first met. And then over time we became single again.
[38:22] And one day a friend of mine said, you should ask Kay out.
[38:28] And I went, oh, I haven’t talked to her in four years. Yeah, it’s a good idea. And so I stalked her on Facebook.
[38:36] Tree Ryde: Does she know that?
[38:38] Andy W: Yeah,
[38:38] she did. Because we were going back and forth. She was like, suddenly Andy Walker’s all of a sudden stalking me and saying things to me in Messenger.
[38:44] And then she basically came out and said, I’ve always had a crush on you.
[38:48] What do you think about that? And I went, oh, well, I didn’t know that.
[38:52] So I asked her out on a date and it all went from there.
[38:57] Tree Ryde: So as he was telling me the rest of the story,
[39:00] he started to look down a little bit and he was moving his hands, gesturing with his hands,
[39:06] talking with his hands.
[39:08] So I would say that your visual first and then kinesthetic second.
[39:13] So when people look down and they’re moving their body and they’re not,
[39:20] they’re more in a relaxed state.
[39:23] State that that shows that it’s kinesthetic.
[39:27] And if somebody is auditory, then they’re looking at their ears. So I’m just pointing to my ears if you’re just listening to this.
[39:34] So while I encourage you all to find out the communication patterns of the people that you’re closest to,
[39:41] because it can really cause frustrations if,
[39:45] if you’re communicating in a way of say,
[39:50] actually,
[39:50] I’ll give you an example.
[39:51] So I have a client of mine who I’m helping their child,
[39:57] and the parent was auditory,
[39:59] and the child was kinesthetic.
[40:02] So what happened is that the, the, the mom is like, oh, you can’t do this or you can’t do that. And the mom was just worried protecting the child.
[40:10] But because the child is kinesthetic,
[40:13] it’s almost like they feel like they’re being reprimanded. Meanwhile,
[40:16] even the mom is saying,
[40:19] oh, let’s do this. Or let’s, even if it’s from a positive nature,
[40:23] still,
[40:23] when people are taking the information in from a kinesthetic nature, from an auditory person,
[40:29] their nervous system can freeze up.
[40:33] That’s when fight, flight, freeze, and fawn come in.
[40:37] Speaker C: So.
[40:40] Tree Ryde: I’ll give you an example.
[40:43] I’m kinesthetic visual. Kinesthetic first visual second.
[40:47] Okay. My husband is auditory first,
[40:50] kinesthetic second.
[40:52] So if we’re driving down the road,
[40:54] like, I’m literally throwing my arm in front of him and I’m saying, like,
[40:59] turn at the Tim Hortons, right? So I’m, like, pointing,
[41:02] and I’m just saying, like,
[41:05] turn at the Tim Hortons as I’m,
[41:06] you know,
[41:08] Very aggressive, like pointing.
[41:12] Right?
[41:13] Well, my husband would be like,
[41:15] what’s the name of the street?
[41:19] Where I don’t know the name of the street. It’s not something,
[41:22] that’s not like my stronger piece of communication.
[41:27] Speaker C: Right?
[41:28] Tree Ryde: So even if we’re doing stuff around the house,
[41:31] I very much have been getting a lot better at being more auditory.
[41:37] So I’ll slow down and I’ll speak more to what it is that I need so that it makes it easier,
[41:45] not just for him, but for me as well. And I’ve even had conversations with him about that.
[41:49] So he’ll like,
[41:51] he knows that if I’m trying to communicate something to him and he’s not getting it, he’s like, okay,
[41:59] Do it,
[42:00] or I’ll find an article or something that I can send to him.
[42:05] Speaker C: Right.
[42:05] Tree Ryde: So you can like read about it.
[42:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[42:09] Andy W: That makes sense.
[42:10] Tree Ryde: So the more flexible we are in these ways,
[42:12] so the, the,
[42:13] the specific technique is that you’re, you’re asking somebody questions just in like a usual conversation and you’re just subtly noticing their,
[42:22] their IQs if they look up.
[42:25] That means that they’re visual.
[42:26] If it’s a worker,
[42:29] you need to show them visually what they need to do.
[42:33] If it’s a spouse or something,
[42:35] pictures are good,
[42:37] right?
[42:38] Like to articulate things.
[42:42] So if people look down,
[42:44] that means they’re kinesthetic. If they’re looking at their body, they’re kinesthetic.
[42:48] So physical touch is good.
[42:51] Speaker C: Right?
[42:52] Tree Ryde: Like hugs could like create rapport forever with these types of people.
[42:58] Um,
[42:59] and then if they’re looking at their ears, that means that they’re auditory.
[43:03] So you want to be,
[43:06] verbally articulate when you’re speaking,
[43:09] or you can send them articles,
[43:11] like something to read, but using a lot of words.
[43:14] Mm-.
[43:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[43:14] Andy W: Interesting. So, so when it comes to auditory then, so what I would look left or right, sort of a, Sort of a horizontal way.
[43:21] Tree Ryde: Yep, that’s right.
[43:23] Andy W: Very good. So up is visual, down is kinesthetic, left or right shifting, thinking that’s auditory. And is there a fourth one?
[43:33] Speaker C: No.
[43:35] Tree Ryde: There is a fourth one. It’s called auditory digital.
[43:39] So it’s to the right and down.
[43:41] Like it’s… Yeah,
[43:42] like to the right and down. I know I’m on camera, so be opposite for you.
[43:46] But to the right and down, and that just means that the person is highly analytical.
[43:50] And that is the first thing. If I see that somebody’s auditory digital,
[43:58] the first thing I’m doing is getting them more visual.
[44:00] Very good. That means that they are so analytical,
[44:05] it really gets in their way.
[44:07] Andy W: Very good, very good. That is brilliant. What an easy hack. What an easy woo skill to develop.
[44:13] And to understand that who knew that us humans or,
[44:17] you know,
[44:18] how we react to each other is,
[44:21] you know, templated almost in a way. And so what you’ve done is given us a way to decode that in a kind of a cool woo kind of way.
[44:27] I love it.
[44:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[44:29] Tree Ryde: Very good. Specifically, if you have any frustration with any human, that’s probably what is going on because the communication is different.
[44:38] Speaker C: Right.
[44:39] Andy W: Right,
[44:39] very good.
[44:40] Well,
[44:41] I want to get into dealing with frustrating people in a deeper way,
[44:45] but let’s for the time being wrap this piece up and we’ll do that for the WooBies Plus members. Let’s talk about how do you deal with difficult and frustrating people?
[44:54] Maybe you can walk us through some of that or give us a different exercise,
[44:57] if that’s okay with you.
[44:59] Tree Ryde: Yeah, for sure.
[45:00] Andy W: Yeah, very good. All right, but for the meantime, we’re going to say goodbye to our free listeners.
[45:04] I’m wondering if you can give us or give them the best way to get hold of you and anything that you’d like to bring their attention to?
[45:14] Tree Ryde: Yeah,
[45:14] absolutely. If anybody is wanting to change or needs help in terms of changing their habits, patterns, they can go to BurlingtonHypnosis.ca or businessgrowthresults.com and book a free consultation and then we can find out what your needs are and go from there.
[45:31] Andy W: Very good. Okay, well,
[45:33] I’ll be sure to put that in the show notes.
[45:35] So that you can,
[45:37] so that everybody out there in woobizland can get hold of you, find you and, and reach out to you. Now,
[45:43] obviously, we have people around the world. We have people in Portugal, Europe and the states and places like that besides Canada.
[45:49] Will you work remotely with people?
[45:51] Tree Ryde: Yes.
[45:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[45:52] Andy W: Oh, very good. Did you have any International clients at this point?
[45:57] Tree Ryde: Yeah, I had one in Dubai and then across Canada and the US, and Australia. And do you do any hypnosis that.
[46:05] Andy W: Way too, or is that not possible over Zoom? Oh, it is. Oh, yeah.
[46:09] Tree Ryde: Yep. All right.
[46:10] Andy W: Well, that’s Tree Ride. Thank you so much for your efforts today on our free episode. We’re about to go into the next segment, which, where we’re going to dig a little deeper on this.
[46:20] But for the time being, I’m going to say goodbye. So my name is Andy Walker. This is Woobiz, and be sure to stay in the Woo.
