Ep 21 – Transformation in Mystical Sedona with Entrepreneur Debra Stangl

Summary

In this episode of WooBiz, Andy Walker interviews Debra Stangl, founder of Sedona Soul Adventures, whose transformational retreat changed the trajectory of his life and helped spark the WooBiz podcast itself. Debra shares how a spiritual awakening in Sedona led her from burnout as a divorce attorney to launching one of the world’s leading personalized retreat experiences. She explains Sedona’s unique energy and the Sedona Proven Process

Woo Exercise: Debra walks Andy through a live, abbreviated Sedona Formula session. With it, she helps Andy energetically diffuse his frustration with an entrepreneurial project that has not been performing as he had expected. You can use this technique for anything in your life that is not the way you want, and is especially useful to get something moving that seems to have become stopped or blocked.

WooBiz+ Extended Episode Summary

In the subscriber-only segment, Debra shares insider insights she rarely discusses publicly. She explains how visitors can access Sedona’s transformational frequency by simply sitting at major vortexes, quieting the mind, and listening for intuitive guidance—something tourists often overlook while rushing for scenic photos.

Debra also reveals the lesser-known intensity of Sedona’s vortex energy: staying more than 28 days often becomes overwhelming, even for seasoned practitioners. She describes how she and her husband Richard periodically “reset” outside Sedona to recalibrate.

They also unpack deeper mechanics of the Sedona Formula. Debra emphasizes that healing isn’t about pushing emotions away but connecting, moving, and transforming energy. She walks WooBiz+ listeners through common mistakes people make when trying to “think” their way out of emotional patterns instead of shifting the underlying energetics.

The bonus conversation feels intimate, practical, and deeply aligned with WooBiz+ listeners who are developing intuition, exploring metaphysics, or navigating spiritual entrepreneurship.

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Detailed Show Summary

This episode dives deep into the transformational power of Sedona, Arizona, and the remarkable spiritual path of Debra Stangl, founder of Sedona Soul Adventures. Andy Walker opens by sharing how his own week-long retreat with Debra’s organization cracked him open creatively, emotionally, and intuitively—ultimately inspiring the WooBiz podcast. Debra recounts her origin story: once a burned-out divorce attorney trapped in an unhappy life, she experienced a profound spiritual vision in Sedona that urged her to leave her law practice or risk dying as her mother had.


What followed was a multiyear healing journey involving more than 30 modalities—from breathwork to EMDR to somatic release—culminating in the creation of Sedona Soul Adventures, now home to more than 50 master practitioners. Debra explains how Sedona’s vortex energy accelerates transformation, why intuition is a skill anyone can develop, and how her own psychic channeling evolved over decades of inner work.

She and Andy explore the Sedona Proven Process, which clears “gunk”—core wounds, limiting beliefs, patterns, fears—and reconnects people with their highest selves. She describes the individualized structure of her retreats and the importance of post-retreat Phase Two support.

Debra then guides Andy through a live Sedona Formula session, a condensed version of a powerful two-hour modality combining breathwork, tapping, intuitive inquiry, EMDR-inspired movement, visualization, and somatic tracking. In minutes, Andy shifts from frustration and helplessness to clarity, confidence, and excitement about a stalled business project.

In the WooBiz+ extended segment, Debra reveals insider tips for experiencing Sedona’s energy, common misconceptions visitors have, and the key principle behind energetic healing: transforming, not rejecting, emotional energy. She also discusses why prolonged exposure to Sedona’s intensity requires occasional breaks, even for longtime residents.

The episode closes with information about her retreats, upcoming book High Vibe Relationship (co-authored with her husband Richard Keppel), and a free gift for listeners: the ebook edition of her bestseller The Journey to Happy.

Debra Stangl’s Website

Her website is at: https://sedonasouladventures.com

Debra’s Bio

Debra Stangl is living proof that second chances are real. In 1999, she was a divorce attorney in Omaha, Nebraska—burned out, unhappy, disconnected, and feeling completely stuck. Everything changed when she came to Sedona, Arizona, the spiritual heart of the Southwest, and experienced a profound re-awakening that set her life on a completely new trajectory.

Three years later, she founded Sedona Soul Adventures, now one of the most respected transformational retreat companies in the world. Debra created the Sedona Proven Process, a unique combination of intuitive guidance, energy work, emotional clearing, and spiritual awakening that has helped thousands of individuals and couples release old patterns, heal core wounds, and reconnect with their highest selves. She is also the creator of The Sedona Formula, a breakthrough modality that integrates over 30 different healing techniques—including breathwork, EMDR, inner child work, tapping, somatic release, intuition, and spiritual connection—into a powerful step-by-step process for clearing gunk, releasing Core Wounds, and coming back into alignment.

Each Soul Adventure retreat is carefully curated with one-on-one or two-on-one sessions from more than 50 of Sedona’s Master Practitioners offering almost every metaphysical modality imaginable, including Debra’s signature Transformational Soul Coaching.

Sedona Soul Adventures has been featured on The Today Show, USA Today, Forbes, The Washington Post, Yoga Journal, and Elle. They’ve been named “Best Marriage Retreats in the US” (2017–2025), “Best Couples Retreats in the World” by Brides Magazine, and “Best of Sedona” for Retreats for five consecutive years. The company also made the Inc. 5000 List of Fastest Growing Small Companies in the US in 2019 and 2023.

Debra is the author of the #1 International Bestseller, The Journey to Happy – How Embracing the Concept That Nothing Is Wrong Can Transform Your Life. She and her husband, Richard Kepple, have co-written their new book, High-Vibe Relationship, launching in April—a guide to creating quantum-aligned, deeply connected relationships built on energy, healing, and conscious love.

Debra also leads group trips each year to Egypt, Peru and Bali, helping participants experience the powerful transformational energies of these sacred ancient places.

Debra’s Email and Free Book Offer

• Email (for her free book offer) [email protected]
  — Include “BOOK” in the subject line to receive her free ebook edition of The Journey to Happy.

• Her first book: Buy a hardcopy of Journey to Happy (on Amazon)

• Sedona Soul Adventures
• https://sedonasouladventures.com

• High Vibe Relationship (book site)
• https://highviberelationship.com

Transcript:

[00:01] ANDY WALKER: This episode is brought to you in part by Energy Awaken Studio,

[00:06] In December 2024 at a single week in Sedona, Arizona cracked me wide open.

[00:30] Clearing old patterns, healing core wounds, and carving the path forward that made this podcast possible.

[00:38] Today I’m talking with the woman behind that transformation,

[00:42] Deborah Stangle of Sedona Soul Adventures.

[00:46] That’s today on WooBiz.

[01:01] Hello and welcome to a new episode of Woo Biz.

[01:05] My name is Andy Walker and this is the show where we explore the mystical,

[01:11] the extrasensory,

[01:12] and the unseen forces that fuel creativity,

[01:16] intuition and human potential.

[01:19] This is where Woo meets real world leadership, helping you become more aligned to your entrepreneurial nature to become a more intuitive decision maker and perhaps even someone who shows up with a fully lit, innovative and creative soul.

[01:35] At least that’s my experience of our listeners so far.

[01:39] My guest today has become a dear friend.

[01:42] Her name is Deborah Stangle and she owns and operates Sedona Soul Adventures,

[01:47] one of the world’s leading transformational retreat companies based in Mystical Sedona, Arizona.

[01:55] Back in 1999,

[01:57] Deborah was a burned out divorce attorney in Omaha,

[02:00] disconnected from her purpose and unsure about what would come next.

[02:06] A trip to Sedona changed everything,

[02:08] and that experience sparked a profound spiritual reawakening that set her life on an entirely new trajectory.

[02:16] A few years later, she founded Sedona’s Soul Adventures and created the Sedona Proven Process and the Sedona Formula, which is an approach that blends more than 30 healing modalities from breath work and EMDR to intuition, somatic release, and deep spiritual connection.

[02:35] Her work has guided thousands, including me, through clearing old patterns, healing core wounds, and reconnecting with their highest selves.

[02:45] And today, as an exercise, she’s going to walk us through an abbreviated version of how the Sedona Formula actually works. The actual session lasts several hours. We’ve packed it into 10 minutes or so.

[02:58] My own soul adventure in December 2024 was a major turning point. It validated my clairvoyance,

[03:04] opened new creative channels, and ultimately gave me the clarity to launch Woo Biz and to understand for myself what was next.

[03:13] Sedona’s Soul Adventures has been featured in the Today Show, USA Today,

[03:17] Forbes, the Washington Post, Yoga Journal, and Elle Magazine,

[03:22] and it’s widely recognized as one of the most impactful retreat experiences available.

[03:27] Deborah is also the author of the Number one international bestseller, the Journey to Happy. And she and her husband, Richard Keppel, who’s also a dear friend,

[03:36] are preparing to launch their new book, High Vibe Relationship,

[03:40] coming out this April.

[03:42] She also leads transformational journeys to Egypt, Peru and Bali, helping people tap into the energies of these ancient sacred places.

[03:50] Well, hello, Deborah. Thanks for being on the show.

[03:54] DEBRA STANGL: Thanks, Andy. It’s great to see you again.

[03:56] ANDY WALKER: I mean, I always love chatting with you and I just thought this was a great opportunity. I’ve been telling a lot of the listeners about my experience in Sedona with your company, Sedona Soul Adventures, a year ago now.

[04:07] It’s almost a year. It’s amazing how time flies, right?

[04:09] DEBRA STANGL: Did you see him? I was just thinking that before we got on.

[04:13] ANDY WALKER: Yeah.

[04:13] And I’ve been deferring it because I always keep saying, oh, that happened to me in Sedona. But I’ll tell you later. Well, today’s the day because I finally managed to wrangle you from your world travels because you travel all over the world and all over Arizona and all over the States and God knows where.

[04:30] So thanks for being with us because I finally get you for myself for now, or at least. Anyway, so that’s great.

[04:36] So let’s, let’s start with. So how did Sedona. So tell people what Sedona Soul Adventures is and then tell them how it came about because I think that’s an incredible story.

[04:46] DEBRA STANGL: Well, Sedona Sol Adventures is unlike anything else that’s out there. We do retreat intensives that are private and custom designed for each individual or couple. We only work with individuals or couples, not with groups.

[05:04] And I work with a network of Incredible practitioners,

[05:09] over 50 practitioners who do basically every modality that you have ever heard of.

[05:15] And we custom design each retreat for each individual or couple. And they are designed to be life changing and transformational. And they are. And we’ve been doing this for over 23 years, which is just kind of staggering to me.

[05:32] And Sedona Soul Adventures came about through my own deep unhappiness.

[05:42] ANDY WALKER: Yay, unhappiness.

[05:43] DEBRA STANGL: Misery.

[05:46] ANDY WALKER: As great things always do.

[05:48] DEBRA STANGL: Right.

[05:49] I mean, you know, you, I feel like you really,

[05:52] for a lot of people, they’ve really got to get to a point in their life where they’re just going, you know what? I can’t take this anymore and what can I possibly do?

[06:01] And so In January of 1999,

[06:04] I had reached a real low in my life. I had just started my 20th year as a divorce attorney in Omaha, Nebraska.

[06:14] And I hated It. I mean, I loved the part where I was helping my. My clients, but that only felt like about 10% of what I was doing.

[06:22] I was in an unhappy marriage.

[06:25] I weighed over 50 pounds more than I weigh now.

[06:30] I was in debt because of some bad business decisions that my ex husband. I’m not married to him now, had made.

[06:37] And so literally. And, you know,

[06:40] I’m sure that you have found also that when things are going wrong in one part of your life, they affect all parts of your life.

[06:46] ANDY WALKER: Oh, yeah.

[06:47] DEBRA STANGL: So I really was at a low in my life, and I came to Sedona for what I thought was gonna be three days of just rest.

[06:57] And instead, I did one session with someone who is now my best friend and is still one of our amazing practitioners. And in that session, I got the message that I had to change my life.

[07:09] In fact, the message was,

[07:11] if you don’t leave your law practice now, you’re going to die like your mother did.

[07:16] And I could see that I was on the same trajectory. I. In fact, I was the same age as she was when she got sick and died five years later from cancer.

[07:26] And I felt stuck and hopeless and helpless, just like she did. And I knew that if I didn’t make a change, that I was going to end up where she did.

[07:36] And so I went home. I spent six months closing my practice,

[07:40] and then I spent the next three years coming out to Sedona just to do my own personal healing work. I would come out for a month at a time.

[07:51] I would work privately with different practitioners that I was finding,

[07:56] and I would come for a month, go back to Omaha for a month, then come to Sedona for a month.

[08:02] So then suddenly, two weeks before 9 11,

[08:05] I was in Sedona, and I got another message that said it was time for me to move to Sedona. And it’s like, for what?

[08:12] And, you know, they never show you the whole thing. They just show you the next step.

[08:17] So I went home. I sold my house in three days. They said it would take six months.

[08:22] And I moved here and sat here for six months going, I did what you told me to do. Now what?

[08:28] And then what they showed me is that what had totally changed my life was working one on one in private with these incredible practitioners who are able to take you from where you are to where you want to be.

[08:42] Because before that, I had done a million workshops and seminars and retreats and, you know, all this other stuff. And none of that, it had been, you know, nice stuff.

[08:51] I liked it. It was enjoyable,

[08:53] but it never did the transformation that this did. And then they also showed me how I could take what had taken me three years and condense that into three or four days.

[09:06] So that was 23 years ago. We started with 10 practitioners out of my house,

[09:12] and now it’s over 50 practitioners. And 23 years later, and I have to say, I am still amazed when I see what happens.

[09:23] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, it’s. It’s an incredible story, really, because the tr. This, this company which causes transformation in people using things like, you know, spirituality, and you explore intuition and you explore all kinds of modalities, somatic therapy, breath work, all kinds of things like that, Right.

[09:39] That big mix came out of your own angst and your own frustration with the world. So it kind of. It’s great because it. I always find that if you engage with a company, you kind of get a feel for who the person is that started it through the company culture.

[09:53] And clearly,

[09:54] because you guys deliver transformation very quickly and very effectively, it had to come from somewhere. So clearly, that’s the origin story is where is where the juice is.

[10:04] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[10:06] ANDY WALKER: Very good. Now you talk about they, messages from they. And of course, we’re woo biz, right? So we look at. We help business people use the woo to their advantage.

[10:16] So who’s the they that keeps dropping these really cool ideas in your head?

[10:21] DEBRA STANGL: Well, you know, they’ve kind of changed over the years because I.

[10:28] Back then, it was more what I would say was my intuition.

[10:32] Now,

[10:33] the first thing that happened when I had that first experience in Sedona, literally, I had a vision.

[10:38] And the vision was,

[10:41] it was Isis, the winged Egyptian goddess, came to me and wrapped her wings around me and said, everything’s going to be okay. And. And she said, but you have to leave your law practice now, and if you don’t, you’re going to die like your mother did.

[10:54] And then fast forward three years later,

[10:57] she came to me again in a vision, in a session that I was doing here in Sedona. And she said, it’s time to move to Sedona now.

[11:05] She has never appeared to me again.

[11:08] I feel like now,

[11:10] Fast forward to 2004. I started doing group trips to Egypt. I had already been there three times by that time,

[11:17] but she has never shown up to me in that way again.

[11:22] So back then, it felt like just listening to my intuition.

[11:25] But starting four years ago,

[11:28] literally, my guides now have come in where I now do channeling, and they speak through me, and I’m a conscious channel. I.

[11:39] I’m aware. They make it, they make it known that they want to come through. And then I bring them in and then they start talking and I, I can hear what they say, and I remember most of what they say.

[11:51] But, but we always record. Richard always records it, my husband,

[11:54] so that, and we transcribe everything so that we make sure we’re getting the information.

[11:59] And so I believe very much that everyone.

[12:03] I know, that everyone has intuition,

[12:07] and they have the ability to connect in with that highest part of themselves. They have the ability to connect with really pretty much anybody that they want to connect with if they will take the time and the effort to develop that skill.

[12:21] Because it’s just a skill that can be learned.

[12:25] ANDY WALKER: Well, that’s what I’ve, you know, kind of the whole, this whole podcast is on the basis of me going,

[12:30] I want to have better intuition. Maybe I could be a psychic. And then, no, you can’t. You know, your mother had the shine, but you don’t. And of course, in the exploration, you discover, no, anybody can learn this stuff, you know, and we’re not all going to be Shaq,

[12:44] you know? You know what I mean? Like, you can, we can play basketball in that arena, but, you know, I want to be Shaq, but that’s okay,

[12:49] right?

[12:49] DEBRA STANGL: And any skill is helpful,

[12:51] and you become more like Shaq the more that you do it.

[12:57] And then also, you can very much do things to put yourself in a particular position,

[13:03] like you did by coming to Sedona.

[13:05] And you were here, first of all, in this energy,

[13:09] which,

[13:10] the energy, the veils between the worlds are very much thinner here.

[13:16] And, and then with the sessions that you did here, to kind of remove any blocks that you had to it and open yourself up to it. So there’s a whole lot of things that you can do to open up to the process and speed up the process.

[13:31] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, well, that was, that was the first thing I noticed. So coming into Sedona City Limits.

[13:36] And I, you know, I’m sensitive. I, I, I have a.

[13:39] Energetically, I’ve always been able to see and read things.

[13:42] And I actually, it’s a somatic for me, so I, I feel it in my body.

[13:46] And as soon as I came into sonar and I, the tingling in my fingers and my toes started happening and I started to get very emotional,

[13:54] like.

[13:55] And I, and I’m not somebody who tends to be externally emotional. I tend to be embarrassed by that,

[14:01] you know, but I just couldn’t stop the tears. I was sitting in my room.

[14:04] DEBRA STANGL: You’re a real guy.

[14:06] ANDY WALKER: Oh, thank you.

[14:08] DEBRA STANGL: I say that in the nicest possible way.

[14:11] ANDY WALKER: Yes, no, I understand,

[14:12] I understand.

[14:13] But I was sitting in my first session. It was a body work session with your practitioner, Gaia. And, and like, I. I think she said, well, what brings you today?

[14:20] How come, you know, how can I help you? Tell me a bit about yourself and the tears.

[14:25] And I’m like, where’s this coming from?

[14:28] But there’s something about the energy that allows that or, or causes it. I don’t know what it is.

[14:33] DEBRA STANGL: It’s both allowing.

[14:35] It’s both allowing and causing. So, yeah, so, yeah, let’s talk about the Sedona Vortex energy, because I just feel like it’s so incredibly important.

[14:46] So as far as exactly what it is, it really depends on who you’re talking to or what book you’re reading. You’ll get all kinds of different definitions of it.

[14:56] The Native American people talk about it in terms that this is where the energy of Mother Earth is, where you can really feel it in a very intense way if you’ll just take the time to connect in with it.

[15:12] Different scientists will tell you that, you know, the electromagnetic energy is different here. And they’ve actually even measured it and figured out that that is true.

[15:24] Now what I believe after being here for over 25 years now, and I’ve. I’ve also traveled to sacred sites all over the world,

[15:34] and I believe that these are the places around the world, because it’s not just Sedona, the Great Pyramid in Egypt,

[15:43] places in Bali,

[15:45] Stonehenge,

[15:46] Machu Picchu.

[15:48] There are different places around the world. I believe that these are the places where the God energy or the universal energy, or the energy of all that is, whatever you want to call it,

[16:00] I believe these are the places where that energy comes onto the planet.

[16:05] And so particularly in Sedona, it comes in, in a way that is really transformational.

[16:12] This energy is different.

[16:14] If you’re familiar with the, with the channel Bashar,

[16:18] he specifically, he speaks very specifically about the energy that is here in Sedona is energy that is designed for transformation specifically.

[16:28] That’s why when you come here and because the veils are thinner, you can feel it and feel it in an even bigger way,

[16:36] and it makes transformation happen even faster and deeper.

[16:42] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, yeah, it. It does. It was an accelerant for sure. For me.

[16:46] Like, honestly, just coming into the energy made me feel good.

[16:50] And then everything seemed to start to open. Maybe even my third eye was opening. I don’t know. I was like, I was going to the gym shops and Chatting with the proprietors, and we were talking because I can see auras and things like that.

[17:00] And, you know, and. And it was just easy. Like, sometimes I have to tune myself, and it takes a bit to get there, but not there.

[17:06] It’s just. It just was open.

[17:08] It’s incredible.

[17:08] DEBRA STANGL: And it does. It just. And it kind of. It kind of hits you. You were talking about coming into town and feeling it immediately. I had a client who came a number of years ago, one of the first years that we were doing this, and he was a bodybuilder from New York City.

[17:25] And, I mean, this really macho, macho guy. And then on top of it, he was from New York City. So, I mean, he was just like this really tough guy.

[17:33] And he gets here and he goes, deborah, I rounded the corner and I saw the red rocks, and I just burst into tears.

[17:41] Yeah,

[17:42] I know.

[17:43] I know that.

[17:45] That’s what happens. And it’s so interesting because I did the thing of trying to force feeling the energy, which, of course, we all know doesn’t work.

[17:55] So those first three years that I was coming here for, like, a month at a time, I go out to the specific vortexes because all of Sedona is a vortex.

[18:05] But there are seven places that have really been defined and identified, and they have different types of energy.

[18:12] So I would go to these places,

[18:14] and I was, like, trying to force it to feel the energy. And of course, you know, that didn’t work. And so then my youngest brother, who’s actually a medical doctor and doesn’t believe in any of this stuff, he came to visit me.

[18:28] I took him to my favorite vortex. We sat down on the ground,

[18:31] and all of a sudden he says to me, oh, my gosh,

[18:35] my hands and my feet are tingling.

[18:38] And I’m like, oh, you little brat.

[18:41] It took me three years to feel that.

[18:43] And you’re doing it in three minutes.

[18:46] ANDY WALKER: Yeah.

[18:47] DEBRA STANGL: So, you know, it’s just. It’s different for everybody. It feels different for everybody, and it’s. It happens in a different way for everybody. That’s the magic of it.

[18:55] ANDY WALKER: Yeah. Well, it’s interesting because K is similarly similar to you in the sense that Kay, my wife, who’s also producer on the show. Right. She who you love and you. And you knew her first, so.

[19:08] Before you knew me.

[19:10] But, yeah, she’s the same way. She energetically looked at the somatic tactility of the tingle. Doesn’t happen for her. For her, she gets impressions. But she said even she felt more sensitive, but in the way that she is sensitive, not necessarily physically, you know what I mean?

[19:24] For her, because that’s not her modality, I guess,

[19:26] you know, so obviously similar.

[19:28] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah, there’s all the, you know, clairsentient and audio, you know, all of that.

[19:33] And so that’s one of the things that’s fun to discover is how does it come in for you and how does it show up?

[19:40] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, incredible.

[19:41] So take us through then. So, and I’ll pipe in on my version of this, but so take us through a typical intake and then. And then the program you lay out for people over,

[19:52] I think you do. Is it three and four day versions? We did, I did the three day version.

[19:56] DEBRA STANGL: Well, every. Everything is custom designed. And so actually we’ve done retreats for people that it’s a minimum of three days for individuals and a minimum of four days for couples.

[20:09] And then we can custom whatever anybody wants.

[20:13] Now usually what’s happening, you know, for most Americans particularly, you know, they’re so busy and it’s so difficult for them to get away.

[20:21] But we’ve done retreats for people that go up to eight or nine or 10 days, you know, depending on how they want to do it and what they’re, what they’re working on.

[20:30] What I really feel like works the best is when people are here for a week.

[20:36] We don’t start anything on the first day and we don’t do anything. You know, the first and last days are for travel. And so really what works the best is for people ideally to be here for a week because then you have time to really kind of go out on your own in Sedona and go to the,

[20:53] you know, go to one or two of the vortexes, connect in with the energy.

[20:58] And so that’s what’s ideal. But it’s minimum of three full days, not counting travel time for individuals and four for couples.

[21:08] And it starts with a person doing a conversation, a very deep conversation with one of our soul guides.

[21:18] And the soul guides are intuitive.

[21:20] They’ve experienced the work of our different practitioners. And what they do is really connect in on a heart level and a soul level and start the process of finding out what’s going on with you, what’s happening, what do you want to have happen.

[21:39] And the process that we do, which I’ve developed over the last 23 years, our Sedona proven process,

[21:47] is that even though each retreat is custom designed,

[21:52] it,

[21:53] each of the retreats follows the process which is the beginning. Part of it is the finding and releasing and healing of what we call gunk the core wounds, the traumas, the fears, the limiting beliefs, the patterns, even the karma in some situations,

[22:14] that is really what is holding everyone back or causing trouble. If you’ve got a problem, an issue,

[22:23] something that is holding you back in your life, it’s always because of your gunk. Every single time. It doesn’t matter.

[22:32] And so that is the first part. And,

[22:35] and so the,

[22:37] the soul guide is starting that process by really, really talking deeply to the person and really getting the idea of what is going on, what’s happening,

[22:48] where are the issues showing up in their life, where are they wanting to have a transformation?

[22:55] And because the soul guides are so intuitive, they’re really great at going underneath what people are saying because it’s, it’s never, the problem is never what people think it is.

[23:05] It’s always,

[23:07] it’s always something that’s coming from the gunk.

[23:11] And so the,

[23:13] after this deep conversation, and if it’s a couple’s retreat, then they’ll, they’ll speak individually with each person in the couple.

[23:20] And then based on that deep conversation, they will then custom design the retreat.

[23:28] And the retreat will follow the Sedona proven process, which, the first part is the finding and releasing and healing of the gunk. The next part is moving the person into connection on all the levels, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.

[23:48] And we do a whole bunch of sessions around that, again designed for that particular person or couple. Now when we’re working with couples though, we always start off with them doing individual work.

[24:01] Because your gunk is different than my gunk and where it came from and the way that it’s showing up is always different. So we do the individual work first.

[24:10] So then the next part is again bringing people into connection on all the levels. And then the third part is what we call our, it’s our phase two,

[24:20] which is our ongoing support after people go home, which we do for a year.

[24:26] ANDY WALKER: Well, yeah, that’s right, yeah, there’s a big follow up program, Phase two, you call it, I think it is.

[24:30] DEBRA STANGL: And the really important piece of that is, you know, it, what’s happening here. This is a huge pattern interrupt.

[24:38] And so we know that depending on what you’re talking about, it can take anywhere from 28 days to 6 months to change a pattern or change a habit.

[24:50] And so what we don’t want is for people to go back to their life and go back to their old patterns, go back to their old habits. And so that’s how we do things in phase two, to make sure that the transformations that they get here,

[25:05] keep on and stay for a lifetime.

[25:08] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, yeah. No, otherwise it becomes a nice vacation where you had a budget, a bunch of insights. Right. And it’s not transformational. You have to support it.

[25:17] DEBRA STANGL: We’re all about real and lasting transformation. That’s the whole piece.

[25:23] ANDY WALKER: Well, one thing that you know, I brought to my retreat was just being stuck in my career because I’d come out of,

[25:30] you know, being a very well known tech journalist on tv. And then eventually I had a marketing company that ran really well for a decade or so and then I just kind of hit like it’s like almost a grounded out it felt like.

[25:43] And so the work I did with the practitioners was really to kind of get a sense to recenter me and to. To get rid of some of the. I think my core wound was I’m not enough or something like that if I recall.

[25:56] And it was, you know, no, you are enough and to get re. Centered. Get re. And then, and then it was then once that was there, it’s okay, what is next?

[26:04] And Woo Biz was. Had been on my mind for six months and, and I got a bunch of feedbacks from different places there. But the intuition there was a. I had a vision quest with,

[26:14] with your practitioner, Jim. It was my last session and we went out onto the rocks and. And I got spoken to by elders and had visions and I was told that Woo Biz is going to go and whether.

[26:24] And you have to choose to go with it and that don’t worry about. It’ll just happen.

[26:28] You know, you don’t really have to try. We’ll just clear the way. And it, that’s exactly what has shown up. It has been quite amazing. And then I’ve had this new purpose which I didn’t have before, you know, and that was, I mean that was just a little piece of my journey.

[26:43] But it was quite incredible just to, and to even think back to the first session on the Monday morning versus what happened when I went with Jim on Wednesday afternoon, my last day.

[26:52] It was a complete night and day experience for me.

[26:55] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah. You know, and in just three days.

[26:58] ANDY WALKER: In just three days.

[26:59] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah. And so the first part was doing these things of finding your core wound, seeing how that shows up. Because of course if you feel like you’re not enough,

[27:11] then you’re not going to have the confidence that it’s going to take and the courage that it’s going to take to step out of that and move into something new.

[27:19] Especially you know, in middle age.

[27:22] You know, I mean it, it Takes some courage and bravery to do that.

[27:26] And so once those blocks are discovered and then removed,

[27:32] look what happened. All this information just came into you.

[27:37] And it wasn’t information that you were told by somebody. It was information that was coming in directly through you and through that highest part of you, which makes it so much more powerful, so much more believable, and so much more putting you in a position of being capable then to move forward with it completely.

[27:59] ANDY WALKER: And. And it. And the extra seemingly that it’s an external source. There’s something validating about that, whereas versus oh, that’s a good idea. And then you’re in your head and you’re thinking, should I, shouldn’t I, shouldn’t I?

[28:09] But when it comes, like, as a strong impulse and like emotional validation, and it doesn’t seem to come from within you, but from without you,

[28:17] it’s just.

[28:18] You have to. You’re compelled to act.

[28:21] DEBRA STANGL: Exactly.

[28:22] ANDY WALKER: And that continued for me. Like, the messages continued to come. It’s almost like it opened something up for me.

[28:27] DEBRA STANGL: Well, it totally did open something up for you.

[28:30] And because the blocks were gone,

[28:33] you were then able to open and receive it and act on it. I mean, it’s literally what they talk about in the Bible of being, you know, filled with the spirit.

[28:47] And we can’t be filled with the spirit spirit.

[28:50] If.

[28:51] If we’re filled up with gunk, it just. It literally cannot happen.

[28:56] But once we’ve released all of that,

[28:59] then we have the ability to open up to this amazing stuff that I believe is trying to come in to us all the time.

[29:08] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, I think you’re right. I think it’s a flow and we just don’t. Not tuned into the river. You know, we kind of gotta fight through the sticks to get to the river.

[29:15] And then when we finally find it, like, oh, there it is.

[29:17] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah, well, and then you just get in the river and you just start floating,

[29:22] you know, and if you’re. If you find yourself having a hard time,

[29:26] you know, paddling upstream, then, oh, wait a minute. No, I just gotta flow.

[29:31] ANDY WALKER: I gotta go with it.

[29:32] DEBRA STANGL: That’s it.

[29:33] And so now I try. I don’t do it all the time,

[29:37] but the more that I allow myself to go with the flow and don’t push and don’t shove,

[29:43] that’s when everything flows to me. And I had, you know, my whole life, that’s exactly what’s happened at the minute. I’ve just opened to it. It’s all been right there.

[29:52] ANDY WALKER: Well, I. I definitely need to spend more time in Sedona with you and with Richard and Brian. K. Of course.

[29:59] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah.

[29:59] ANDY WALKER: But I just think, because it’s almost like that it’s the oil you need for your soul almost. You know, it just loosens everything up.

[30:07] DEBRA STANGL: It does,

[30:09] absolutely. And the thing that’s so wonderful about this particular place is again, the veils are thinner and so the energy comes in more easily, more quickly, more completely,

[30:21] and it, it’s just easier.

[30:24] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, yeah. I actually, I’m very curious, actually. It makes me think that, you know. Cause when I, when I. We will come back, you know, hopefully in the next year or so,

[30:31] I want to see if the experience for me is different because I have opened up, you know, I’m having these clairvoyant images now. And they’ve gone from symbols to moving pictures now to little mini movies.

[30:43] And the frequency is coming and the synchronicities are coming and the,

[30:48] the, the, the, the downloads, you know, more frequent too. You know, all of those things are happening.

[30:54] And so coming back to Sedona because I think it’s like an amplifier, right? It takes, you know, the volume of 1 and amps it to 10 just by showing up.

[31:03] And I gotta wonder what’s gonna happen if I walk into city limits again,

[31:06] given all the work I’ve done, you know.

[31:08] DEBRA STANGL: Oh, yeah, it will be, it will be completely different and it will be bigger.

[31:13] And yes, it is completely an amplifier.

[31:16] And so, yeah, your experience here is gonna be completely different when you come back again.

[31:21] And much bigger. Much more amplified.

[31:24] Much more.

[31:25] They’re showing me an image of just like all this sunlight just, I mean, beaming, glowing, beautiful.

[31:32] And just bigger, bigger, bigger.

[31:35] ANDY WALKER: Wow, that’s great. So clearly you have a bit of. You have some psychic capabilities. You developed that over the years too.

[31:41] DEBRA STANGL: Yes, yeah. I, I wasn’t,

[31:45] I wasn’t trying to develop.

[31:48] Just all of a sudden as far as my guides coming in just kind of dropped on me. I, you know, there are a lot of people that do,

[31:55] you know, classes and things like that. And I had never done that. I loved, I love speaking with channels. And I’ve always, you know, loved that. I’m, I’m a huge fan of, of Abraham and Bashar and, you know, all these people.

[32:07] And we have some incredible channels here.

[32:10] Laura, who channels Kuan Yin.

[32:13] And I mean, I love all that. And what happened to me was that all of a sudden, boom.

[32:19] They just, they came in and they were all of a sudden just there one day. But I know it’s because it had been so many years of me doing all of this stuff of literally intentionally opening myself up to that.

[32:36] ANDY WALKER: Right, yeah. And being around the practitioners and working on all the bits of gunk, I guess. And yeah, 20 years old, gunk work is pretty good.

[32:44] You gotta be fairly gunk free by now.

[32:46] DEBRA STANGL: Actually, it’s 40 years.

[32:48] ANDY WALKER: Well, 40 is. Oh, of course, before Sedona. Right.

[32:51] DEBRA STANGL: I’ve been on my spiritual path since 1978 when my mother passed away. That’s what got me started.

[32:56] And I wasn’t, I wasn’t into gunk removal because I didn’t know about gunk removal at that time.

[33:03] I, I was really into astrology and near death experiences and, and you know, it was, it was a gradual thing, but I started doing breath work. I became a breath work practitioner in 1989 and,

[33:17] and, and that’s a huge piece of, of that.

[33:21] So I’ve been doing gunk removal for a long time now. Is it all totally, completely gone? No, it is not.

[33:28] But I do have the means of when it pops up.

[33:34] And I, you know, the minute something pops up,

[33:37] that’s like big time that I can’t handle on my own. So I do a session with one of my practitioners. I, you know, I, I practice what I preach. And in fact, I have one practitioner that I do, I do energy work with her, energy work and body work with her every week where I just go in and I’m like,

[33:54] just find whatever there,

[33:56] move it out,

[33:57] you know, and she’ll like touch a part of my body and she’ll like, you know, what’s this?

[34:03] So I definitely practice what I preach because I know that the more I do that, the more, the happier I’m going to be, the more connected I’m going to be.

[34:10] And again, it affects every single part of my life.

[34:13] ANDY WALKER: Absolutely, absolutely. And one of the things I love about you is you’re, you know, you’re such a natural teacher too. You know, you’re a good marketer, obviously, but you’re a natural teacher because you live what you, what you preach,

[34:25] right. You, and that’s just a wonderful thing. And then you’ve developed these really cool methodologies and one of the ones that I love,

[34:32] that you introduced me to in my phase too, this is going back, I guess in February, I guess was called the Sedona formula. And I’m wondering if you would be willing to share that.

[34:42] I’ll be your guinea pig and show our listeners how to do it because it’s an incredible tool that you can use to kind of move apart some trauma or distress.

[34:53] Right? That’s the target of it.

[34:55] Yeah.

[34:55] DEBRA STANGL: So tell.

[34:56] ANDY WALKER: So tell us about it and take us. Take me through it.

[34:59] DEBRA STANGL: So the Sedona formula is something that I formulated over a period of about two years because I knew all these different modalities. I was certified in a number of them.

[35:13] And what I was finding, particularly with, with two other people that I was working with directly,

[35:21] was by combining all of these different modalities, I could have things happen much more quickly, much more dramatically,

[35:30] and really lasting.

[35:32] And so this is a combination of over 30 different modalities.

[35:39] And it’s something that we do with all of our clients now who do a soul adventure now when they come in. It’s a two hour session, but we can do a lot.

[35:50] And I can show your listeners something really quick and fundamental, but also very transformational in just a few minutes.

[36:01] So this combines, like I said, a bunch of different modalities. You’ll see it when we do it, but it includes breath and intuition and tapping, EMDR visualization,

[36:11] the peace process. I mean, it combines a whole lot of things. The emotion codes. You’ll recognize a lot of this just when we do it in the next few minutes.

[36:20] So, Andy, I will have you be my guinea pig.

[36:23] So I want you to close your eyes and I want you to think about something,

[36:29] some issue or a person or a situation.

[36:35] And you don’t have to tell. You don’t have to tell us what it is, but I want you to think about something that makes you upset or angry or frustrated or,

[36:47] or. Or taking you off of your center or something that, you know, just,

[36:51] just generally bugs you. So do you have that?

[36:54] ANDY WALKER: I do, yes.

[36:55] DEBRA STANGL: Okay. And so I want you to then go into the emotion. What is the. What is the biggest emotion that you feel with this?

[37:06] ANDY WALKER: I feel frustrated and a bit helpless.

[37:11] DEBRA STANGL: Okay.

[37:12] ANDY WALKER: And there’s a third thing which is sort of. It deflates. I feel deflated.

[37:17] DEBRA STANGL: Okay. Okay. So I want you to really focus on these feelings of frustration and feeling deflated and feeling. What was the first one?

[37:31] ANDY WALKER: I can’t remember now. Frustrated. Deflated. And it wasn’t angry, it was helpless. Helpless.

[37:38] DEBRA STANGL: Helpless. Helpless. Right. Okay. I usually am writing stuff down. Okay. So I really want you to go into these feelings of helpless and frustrated, especially the frustrated and, you know, feeling hopeless and.

[37:53] And I don’t want you to do anything of trying to feel good or anything. I want you to feel really gin this up so that you’re really, really feeling it.

[38:00] You’re feeling the frustration you’re feeling how in this situation you get. You’re hopeless and, and helpless and, and deflated. And so when you think about that and you have that in,

[38:12] in your mind, on a scale of 1 to 10, where are you with 1 being, it doesn’t bother you at all. And 10 being, it just really, really, really bothers you.

[38:20] ANDY WALKER: Oh, it’s like a nine, nine and a half.

[38:23] DEBRA STANGL: Okay. Nine, nine and a half. Okay. I want you to keep on thinking about that and keep on thinking and feeling it. And now when you feel that frustration and that hopelessness and that deflation, when you feel, feel those at that nine and a half level, where do you feel it the strongest in your body?

[38:43] ANDY WALKER: It’s in my jaw.

[38:45] DEBRA STANGL: In your jaw. Okay.

[38:46] ANDY WALKER: I want you to, like the clenched teeth feel.

[38:48] DEBRA STANGL: Okay. So I want you to touch both of your hands to your jaw.

[38:55] Just put your one finger.

[38:58] Okay. Is it worse on the right hand side or the left hand side?

[39:02] ANDY WALKER: The. My left.

[39:04] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so. So keep it on the left hand side and drop away the other finger.

[39:10] And I want you to really, really, really feel that, Feel the frustration.

[39:15] And I don’t want you to think about. Don’t think about the situation. Think about your frustration,

[39:21] your hopelessness. And as that energy moves,

[39:25] move your finger with it and breathe into that energy.

[39:31] Keep following the energy,

[39:34] following it with your finger.

[39:35] Keep breathing into that energy.

[39:38] ANDY WALKER: My finger’s going down my body.

[39:41] DEBRA STANGL: You can see it.

[39:42] And let it. Keep following it.

[39:45] Keep following it.

[39:47] Keep breathing,

[39:49] keep breathing.

[39:51] Keep moving your finger.

[39:54] Now release your jaw and just take another deep breath.

[40:01] And where are you feeling it in your body now?

[40:05] ANDY WALKER: It’s smack dab over my belly button.

[40:08] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, and on a scale of 1 to 10, where is it now?

[40:14] ANDY WALKER: It’s like a 7 or an 8.

[40:16] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so I want you to tap on your belly button.

[40:20] ANDY WALKER: Okay.

[40:21] DEBRA STANGL: And say a little bit about this situation. This frustrates me because it does this, it does that. And keep tapping and breathing.

[40:31] ANDY WALKER: Okay, so tapping on my belly button. So this frustrates me because I thought it’s related to a project I have,

[40:40] and the project is not accelerating the way I thought it would.

[40:46] And it’s just,

[40:47] I just. When I conceived the, the idea of the project,

[40:51] it seemed like a guarantee. Like, it just seemed like such a good idea.

[40:55] DEBRA STANGL: And it.

[40:56] ANDY WALKER: And it has moved, but it’s just slow in terms of the results it’s producing, like a lot slower than I could imagine it ever would.

[41:05] DEBRA STANGL: So it’s moving so slowly.

[41:07] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, it’s just driving me crazy.

[41:10] DEBRA STANGL: It’s driving me. So say the stuff that I’m saying it’s driving me crazy.

[41:14] ANDY WALKER: It’s driving me crazy.

[41:15] DEBRA STANGL: It me off.

[41:17] ANDY WALKER: It me off.

[41:18] DEBRA STANGL: I thought this was a sure thing.

[41:21] ANDY WALKER: I thought this was a sure thing.

[41:22] DEBRA STANGL: I’m so disappointed.

[41:24] ANDY WALKER: I’m so disappointed.

[41:27] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so right now keep tapping and go into that again.

[41:32] And on all of this stuff with this is. I’m so off and I thought it was a sure thing and I’m so disappointed.

[41:40] What?

[41:41] Where are you feeling that in your body? In the same place or somewhere else?

[41:46] ANDY WALKER: Uh, no, it’s. Oh, I’m feeling so disappointed. It’s, it, it gradiates from my belly button to my sternum.

[41:53] DEBRA STANGL: Okay. Go up to your sternum and then tap on your sternum.

[41:57] ANDY WALKER: Okay. Doing that.

[41:59] DEBRA STANGL: And if this part of it that is so frustrating and you off and you thought it was a sure thing and it’s so disappointing,

[42:10] if that had a color, what would that color be?

[42:13] ANDY WALKER: Purple.

[42:15] DEBRA STANGL: And this purple energy that is * you off and so frustrating. And you thought it was a sure thing.

[42:23] Is it moving or wavy or is it like gel or.

[42:28] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, it looks like the ground on a hot day when the heat’s coming off of it, like all like wavy and like, you know, undulating.

[42:39] DEBRA STANGL: Uh huh. So this wavy purple energy that has all this disappointment and frustration in it and offedness.

[42:49] ANDY WALKER: Yeah.

[42:50] DEBRA STANGL: What does it want? Say the first thing that comes into your head.

[42:54] ANDY WALKER: Attention. More attention. It wants me to live it completely and not gave it a part time role in my head.

[43:05] DEBRA STANGL: To be all in.

[43:07] ANDY WALKER: To be all in? Yeah.

[43:08] DEBRA STANGL: What else is it saying? Is it showing you how to do that?

[43:13] ANDY WALKER: No, it just says believe in me. Maybe I don’t believe in it enough.

[43:20] DEBRA STANGL: And you just used the word enough, which is interesting because your core wound is. I’m not enough.

[43:26] ANDY WALKER: Oh yeah.

[43:27] DEBRA STANGL: So here you are, not being enough with this big thing. Keep tapping on your sternum.

[43:35] ANDY WALKER: Okay. It’s actually moved down.

[43:38] DEBRA STANGL: Where is it moving now to?

[43:39] ANDY WALKER: It’s sort of mid belly above my belly button.

[43:43] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so just hold your hand there and is it saying anything else to you? I hear it saying it wants not only attention, it wants your love.

[43:54] ANDY WALKER: Yes.

[43:55] DEBRA STANGL: Anything else?

[43:56] ANDY WALKER: Yes.

[43:57] DEBRA STANGL: It wants you to care about it.

[43:59] ANDY WALKER: Yes.

[44:00] DEBRA STANGL: You thought that it would just happen all by itself without you loving it or caring for it or nourishing it?

[44:08] ANDY WALKER: Yeah. Yes. Because I project like do that before, so,

[44:12] you know, I sort of taken it for granted when it happened before. So when it didn’t happen this time, I just got so enraged about It.

[44:18] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah.

[44:19] And it’s like, dude, I need to be loved.

[44:22] I need to be nourished.

[44:24] I need to be cared for.

[44:27] Keep breathing into that.

[44:29] And let’s ask it one more time. Is there anything else that it wants?

[44:36] ANDY WALKER: No, it just says, I want you all in. That’s what it said, all in.

[44:41] DEBRA STANGL: But it’s an all in with love and care and nourishment, which is not exactly how we usually think of business projects.

[44:52] ANDY WALKER: No.

[44:53] DEBRA STANGL: You know, it’s like that line from Saturday Night Live, I just want to be loved. Is that so wrong?

[45:00] ANDY WALKER: Yes, it’s true. Right.

[45:02] DEBRA STANGL: It just wants to be loved and nourished and cared for. Just like you want to be loved and nourished and cared for.

[45:15] ANDY WALKER: Yeah.

[45:16] DEBRA STANGL: And hasn’t this project. Hasn’t the success. Has the success of this project been somewhat of a projection that you are loved and cared for?

[45:29] ANDY WALKER: Yes. Oh, definitely can make that connection.

[45:32] DEBRA STANGL: So really feel that. Really feel that. So keep on breathing.

[45:39] ANDY WALKER: It’s very somatic. Wow.

[45:41] DEBRA STANGL: And where are you at? Where are you at on the 1 to 10?

[45:45] ANDY WALKER: It’s like a 3 now. It’s like faded to a 3. It’s a dull throb now.

[45:51] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so that dull throb, does it have a color?

[45:55] ANDY WALKER: It’s blue.

[45:57] DEBRA STANGL: Does it have a shape?

[45:58] ANDY WALKER: It’s like smoke.

[46:01] DEBRA STANGL: So this blue smoke, ask it what it wants.

[46:08] ANDY WALKER: It said commit.

[46:10] DEBRA STANGL: And do you understand?

[46:12] ANDY WALKER: Yeah. Well,

[46:13] it shows it. I just see a sea monster swallowing me. Like it wants to eat me. You know what I mean? Like it.

[46:21] But it wants that level of commitment, I think, like, all in. Right? I think that’s what it is.

[46:25] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah. So the blue smoke is wanting to eat you, or it’s become.

[46:31] ANDY WALKER: Yeah,

[46:32] it seems to be. When you. When you said that and we talked about the blue smoke, it. Yeah, it seemed to.

[46:37] I don’t know what it is. It’s like. It’s. It’s part of the other thing, but it’s some.

[46:43] A piece of it. I don’t know.

[46:44] DEBRA STANGL: Well, let’s. So what. So is it. What does that look like? It’s morphed now into.

[46:50] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, it’s getting smaller, definitely.

[46:53] DEBRA STANGL: But what is it? In what way was it a monster, did you say?

[46:57] ANDY WALKER: Or a. Oh, it just showed me a monster eating me.

[47:01] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so let’s go to that monster that’s eating you and ask that monster what it wants.

[47:10] ANDY WALKER: It just says it wants to be nourished, but it needs everything I can give it, that I’m capable of.

[47:17] DEBRA STANGL: It needs you, all of you. And he Wants to eat you up, so he makes sure that he’s got all of you.

[47:25] ANDY WALKER: Yes, that’s right. That’s very true.

[47:27] DEBRA STANGL: You can’t get away. He’s in your tummy. And here you are, you know, touching your tummy with this monster who wants all of you in his tummy so that he knows.

[47:38] I mean, that’s total commitment.

[47:41] ANDY WALKER: That is. Yes, that’s all in for sure. Underscore. Incredible.

[47:45] DEBRA STANGL: Oh, how’s the monster feeling?

[47:48] ANDY WALKER: Oh, it’s a puppy dog now. It’s like nothing there. Like, it’s almost gone. That’s incredible. Wow.

[47:55] DEBRA STANGL: Is it down to a one or a zero?

[47:58] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, it’s like barely a one.

[48:00] DEBRA STANGL: So now, how are you feeling about this project?

[48:07] ANDY WALKER: That it’s new opportunities there, Right? There’s no opportunities and new actions to take, new things to feed it that I haven’t before.

[48:17] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah. Just this bottom line of loving it and caring for it and nourishing it.

[48:23] ANDY WALKER: And believing in it, too, is that’s the. I think that’s the nourishment it really wants.

[48:29] DEBRA STANGL: Right.

[48:30] ANDY WALKER: And that doesn’t take much for me. I’ll just have to shift how I speak about it and how I am about it with people that matter in.

[48:38] DEBRA STANGL: That how you speak about it and how you feel about it, that is everything.

[48:43] Because your words have vibration,

[48:45] your emotions have vibration,

[48:47] and that is the stuff of creation.

[48:51] So when you’re talking about it in a frustrated way, I mean, you are getting exactly what you don’t want, which is nothing and more frustration.

[49:00] But when you talk about it in the higher vibration of, oh,

[49:04] I can do this and I can do that, and I can do this and I can do that, and that’s when the creativity starts.

[49:10] That’s when the flow starts.

[49:12] And now that you know that what it really wants, the bottom line of what it really wants is your care and attention and love,

[49:20] then you can just go in,

[49:22] connect with it again tomorrow, the next day, whenever, when you’re working on it,

[49:28] and ask it again,

[49:29] what do you want?

[49:31] What do you need me to do today?

[49:33] Rather than you trying to figure out with your brain. Brain, which is so limited in this,

[49:39] you are not only using that magnificent brain of yours, but you are connecting in with the energy of all that is very.

[49:47] ANDY WALKER: Yes.

[49:48] DEBRA STANGL: So. So now, how does the energy. How would you describe the energy and the emotions that you have around the project now?

[49:58] ANDY WALKER: A sense of peace and a confidence and actually, excitement.

[50:04] DEBRA STANGL: I was just gonna say a little excitement, too. Right?

[50:07] ANDY WALKER: Yeah.

[50:08] DEBRA STANGL: So in, I think, about five minutes, six Minutes we went from frustration, off,

[50:18] hopeless,

[50:19] to excited, peaceful. And you have a very clear idea and knowing about what you need to do, right?

[50:28] ANDY WALKER: Absolutely know exactly what I need to do.

[50:31] DEBRA STANGL: Okay, so now let’s tap it in and keep it. So I want you to tap on your head all the way back to your neck and do that three times. And as you breathe one time, breathe in and then out.

[50:46] ANDY WALKER: Breathing and tapping.

[50:47] DEBRA STANGL: Then breathe in and breathe out.

[50:51] Then from front to back, breathe in and breathe out.

[50:56] Not. Yes, not tapping from back to front, but front to back. Yeah, front to back and then out.

[51:02] Okay,

[51:03] and now tapping front to back.

[51:05] Pant like a dog three times and smile.

[51:14] ANDY WALKER: I can’t help myself. That’s great. That’s really funny.

[51:17] DEBRA STANGL: There’s all these scientific studies that show that the tapping totally gets that in there and gets it and, and does. Has an effect on your neurotransmitters and that the smile actually does phytochemicals that happen in your brain to make that cement in.

[51:36] So we did that in five or six minutes. You can imagine what, what one of our master practitioners can do with that session in two hours.

[51:45] Particularly with people who have really, really, really, really deep things going on or you know, every, everybody’s thing is deep. You know, the thing that’s causing trouble in your life is, is deep.

[51:57] And we don’t know what it is. It’s unconscious most of the time. What’s really going on is something that is unconscious because you had no way of knowing that this project wasn’t happening.

[52:09] Not because all this stuff on the outside isn’t going on. This project wasn’t happening because your energy was out of whack and you haven’t been loving it,

[52:19] nurturing it, giving it the attention that it wants. And you’ve actually been bad mouthing it.

[52:26] So you’ve been doing, putting out all this negative energy around.

[52:31] I mean, what a surprise that this thing isn’t working.

[52:36] And I would tell you that if we did a little,

[52:39] a more deep thing. When you talked about and when you use the word enough,

[52:44] I’m like, oh yeah, core wound thing going on, you know,

[52:48] little vestiges that we find of oh yeah, I’m not enough. That’s why this isn’t working.

[52:55] And so it’s digging out those energetics and it’s just amazing what can happen. When I did the initial training over a year and a half ago with my practitioners,

[53:07] and these are people, I mean, these are master practitioners who have done everything, done stuff for 20 and 30 years and all that.

[53:13] One of our practitioners in one of the 20 minute just rehearsal sessions that we were doing,

[53:21] all of a sudden she went, oh my God, I don’t believe this. I have released 40 years of upset with my sister.

[53:29] I’ve tried everything. It never worked. And this time it did.

[53:33] Because everything’s just energy and when we move the energy,

[53:37] everything moves.

[53:38] So how you feeling?

[53:40] ANDY WALKER: I feel great. I feel like I’ve had a little holiday. It’s really, really cool.

[53:44] DEBRA STANGL: You’re welcome.

[53:45] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, I was going to say that’s you being psychic, because I was about to say that. Thank you.

[53:51] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah, I knew you were going to say that.

[53:53] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, of course it was coming. It was coming for sure. Well, you know how grateful I am about you and about everything you do and, and about your husband and you guys as friends as well.

[54:03] DEBRA STANGL: Because we become friends.

[54:05] It’s been such a joy to become friends with, with you and Kay. It’s been, it’s been. And that’s been one of, one of the joys of my life is to actually become friends with people that were.

[54:17] I mean, K actually started off as a mentor and now she, then she was a client and now she’s become a friend and then she brought you in,

[54:27] which is just like, you know, double the fun.

[54:29] And,

[54:30] and that has been one of the things that’s just been so wonderful because,

[54:35] you know, particularly, you know, clients and people that have gone on our trips with us to Egypt and Peru.

[54:42] You know, I’ve become good friends with them and I just love it. It’s. It. It’s such a huge important part of my life,

[54:50] so.

[54:51] ANDY WALKER: Good. Well, you live it, you live it and that’s. It shows. So, so thank you, Deborah. That’s brilliant. Before we go, I would love you to. Actually, there’s a couple of things you want to mention, right?

[55:00] You should mention your website,

[55:01] upcoming book and then that little bonus you were talking about. So why don’t you do that right now?

[55:06] DEBRA STANGL: Yes. So people can find us on our website,

[55:10] sedonasouladventures.

[55:13] Com.

[55:13] It’s S O U L and adventures with an s.com and that has all the information on our retreats and also our trips to Egypt and Peru.

[55:25] And then also my wonderful, wonderful husband who I actually manifested using all of the different energetic tools and modalities that we teach here.

[55:40] I manifested my wonderful, amazing husband, Richard Keppel, nine years ago.

[55:46] And he is just incredible, as you know, Andy, and has been such an incredible partner. And he and I have just co written a book called High Vibe relationship that we are so excited about.

[56:03] It’s going to be coming out in April of 2026 and it’s literally in the title, how to have a High Vibe Relationship.

[56:12] But again, it’s based on what I know from over 40 years of working with clients and especially couples, first as a divorce attorney and now with Sedona Solo Ventures,

[56:24] that unless and until you find and release and heal your gunk,

[56:29] you can’t ever move into a truly happy life or relationship.

[56:34] And then once you’ve moved into that relationship to be nurturing each other in the way that you each need to be nurtured.

[56:42] That is what I know after 40 years of working with couples, that is the key.

[56:47] And so the book is coming out. We’re really super excited about it.

[56:51] And I also, I have a book that came out in 2016 and then the second edition came out in 2022 after I met Richard and it was an an international number one bestseller.

[57:04] And I would like to gift your listeners with the ebook version of the book because what I love about it,

[57:12] it’s called the Journey to Happy how embracing the concept that nothing is wrong can transform your life.

[57:20] And it tells my life story. But what’s really important is it has nine stepping stones which deal with every different area of your life.

[57:31] Love, money, work your body.

[57:34] And it shows you very quickly things that you can be doing to shift the energy right now to start to shift and change anything that is going on in different parts of your life.

[57:46] So people just need to send me an email,

[57:50] [email protected] that’s D E B R [email protected] and put in the subject line book and we’ll send you the E copy of the book.

[58:05] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, that’s amazing.

[58:07] What an amazing gift. I’ve read your book and I think it’s brilliant and you guys are so lucky to get access to this because it’s a very special,

[58:16] special special to read you guys out there in Woo Woo’s land.

[58:20] Don’t forget to go to the website because the show notes on this episode will have all of those links and Deborah’s email so that if you played this too fast and you don’t want to go back,

[58:31] just go there and all the information is there on how to get hold of her, how to email her, how to get that freebie and to learn more about everything that Debra and her gang in Sedona do, which is just incredible.

[58:43] I highly, highly, highly recommend that you if you have the means.

[58:47] Go to Sedona and do Debra’s program because it’s incredible.

[58:51] And with that, I’m going to say goodbye. And thank you, Deborah, for all this amazing time that you spent with us this,

[58:58] this morning.

[58:59] And just appreciate you and everything you do. And you’ve changed my life. And I just want to say thank you for that as well.

[59:06] DEBRA STANGL: Well, Andy, you are so very welcome and thank you for having me on. And I just want to acknowledge you because what you’re doing is really, really important.

[59:18] You know, when I started this over 23 years ago, there weren’t people doing things like this and I had no help.

[59:27] And I look back now and I’m like, how did I even do that?

[59:31] And so to have these kinds of resources is just so amazing. So I just love it that your soul adventure led you into doing this. And I love what you’re doing and I think it’s so fantastic.

[59:45] And so thank you for having me on your co creation.

[59:50] ANDY WALKER: Absolutely, my pleasure. Absolutely, my pleasure.

[59:53] All right. And with that, don’t forget, this show is called Woo Biz. My name is Andy Walker. Don’t forget, stay in the woo.

[01:00:22] And if you’re still with us, and clearly you are a Woo Biz plus member. And thanks so much for being a subscriber and supporting the show. We’re here still with Deborah Stangle of Sedona Soul Adventures.

[01:00:33] Deborah, thanks for hanging around.

[01:00:35] I just wanted to pick your brain a bit for the member’s sake. In terms of what now, that was so much wonderful material. In the main feed, you talked about going to Sedona and the practitioners and the retreats you do.

[01:00:49] Is there anything in that that somebody needs to know that you don’t always tell them? But it’s kind of an insider secret. And if it’s not that, then is there anything about the exercise that we did?

[01:00:58] Or maybe there’s both.

[01:01:00] DEBRA STANGL: Well,

[01:01:01] when people come to Sedona,

[01:01:03] what I tell them is it is just so important. And especially these special listeners of yours, Andy,

[01:01:11] come and really take advantage of the energy that is here in Sedona.

[01:01:18] It is not like any energy that you are going to find anywhere else on the planet, even on other places that are considered vortexes around the world.

[01:01:30] And all you have to do is go to one of the vortexes and sit on the ground and feel the energy,

[01:01:40] ask questions,

[01:01:42] listen to the answers,

[01:01:45] and get yourself and your mind quiet enough to really, really do that. And I would Recommend going to 2 or 3 or 4 of the vortexes. To do that.

[01:01:58] So many tourists, and we get 4 million tourists a year, they just come here, they run around,

[01:02:03] they maybe hike. Very few of them even go hiking.

[01:02:07] And they’re just here to see the beautiful red rocks and run around and do an Instagram photo.

[01:02:12] But you have the capability all on your own just to go to one of the vortexes, sit and really connect in with this energy.

[01:02:23] That energy and just doing that changed my life 26 years ago. And it can change yours.

[01:02:30] ANDY WALKER: Yeah, I think I can concur. That is a great tip. Because you know what? People don’t think of that. And I did that and it works. It’s really cool. So just untow it.

[01:02:40] That’s just one. This besides hanging out with you and your team,

[01:02:44] that would be the other thing to go to Sedona for first.

[01:02:47] DEBRA STANGL: Well, I mean, of course, if people really want to transform their life and transform their relationship,

[01:02:56] we do that. And we do it in a very, very short period of time.

[01:03:01] And it is incredible and it is intense and it really, really works. But what I love is that anybody can just come here,

[01:03:12] go to the vortexes and really, really connect in with the energy.

[01:03:18] And it can be life changing for you.

[01:03:23] ANDY WALKER: A hundred percent. A hundred percent agree. Like, it really into us. Like it’s in such a mystical place as well.

[01:03:29] It’s just nice to soak it in and be in it,

[01:03:32] I suppose. The other thing, though, I think you told me about this before, maybe when we saw you last, was if you stay too long, doesn’t. It starts to kind of wind up a bit and then you have to kind of go get relief from it.

[01:03:42] DEBRA STANGL: Yes. What the energy here is so.

[01:03:45] And it’s very interesting to me that the Native Americans never lived here.

[01:03:50] We know that they lived. The closest they lived was like 10, 10 miles in one direction and 15 miles in another direction. And in fact, in one of the native languages, the word for Sedona is the place that makes you crazy because the energy is so strong here.

[01:04:07] They would come here.

[01:04:09] They would come here, they would do ceremony. And we’ve. And they’ve got, you know, artifacts of them doing, you know, ritual ceremony here. And then they would leave because the energy for them, because again, they were so super sensitive.

[01:04:22] The energy here was just so intense for them. And what. What I have found after living here now for 25 years is that if I’m here for longer than 28 days,

[01:04:32] all of a sudden I get like, amped up and I get like twitchy and. Or Richard and I might you know, like, RA at each other. And all of a sudden, we’ll look at each other and go,

[01:04:44] how long has it been that we’ve been home?

[01:04:47] And we’ll look and go, oh, my God, it’s been, like, over a month. And so then we’ll do something, and all we have to do is, like, go up to Flagstaff,

[01:04:54] or my favorite is to go down to Scottsdale and do some retail therapy.

[01:04:59] Of course, you know, that always helps, something like that.

[01:05:02] But that’s. We just have to get out of the energy. Just even.

[01:05:06] Just enough.

[01:05:07] Like,

[01:05:08] an afternoon is enough.

[01:05:10] And then come back.

[01:05:12] But we really find that if we don’t do that, it really affects us. And so we actually.

[01:05:18] We’re gone a lot.

[01:05:20] So it doesn’t happen that often.

[01:05:21] But I’ll tell you, every single time it does, we’re like, oh, my God, we gotta. We gotta go do something and get out of this energy. Because it is so intense.

[01:05:32] And it’s. I mean, it’s wonderful,

[01:05:35] but it’s intense.

[01:05:37] ANDY WALKER: It really is. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay.

[01:05:41] DEBRA STANGL: And then.

[01:05:41] ANDY WALKER: Is there anything we need to know about the exercise that you didn’t tell us or. That would be really helpful to know.

[01:05:48] DEBRA STANGL: Just.

[01:05:49] I think the biggest thing that’s helpful to know is that.

[01:05:53] Except at the beginning, don’t be thinking about the situation too much.

[01:05:59] Just breathe. This is not about thinking your way out of it. What we keep proving over and over and over again with whatever problem people have bring to us, you cannot think your way out of it.

[01:06:09] Okay? You can only move the energy, and energy can’t be destroyed.

[01:06:15] It can only be moved. And so don’t be thinking about this situation. Don’t be thinking about ways to change it, unless your high self is giving you information about, you need to do this, you need to do that.

[01:06:28] The other piece of it is.

[01:06:30] And I’m realizing this now and wishing that I had said this previously to your other people.

[01:06:36] This is not about getting rid of the energy.

[01:06:40] It’s not, oh, get away from me. I don’t like you.

[01:06:43] I want to, you know, get.

[01:06:45] No,

[01:06:46] it’s about connecting with the energy and moving through the energy again. Energy cannot be destroyed. It can only be transformed.

[01:06:55] And so we never want to do a thing of, oh, get away from me. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. And if you find yourself thinking that about the situation or the person or whatever it is you’re doing it with,

[01:07:06] that’s causing you trouble.

[01:07:08] Because the more you try to push something away, the More actually energetically, you’re bringing it toward you. And so do not ever be doing this from the standpoint of pushing it away or I hate it or trying to destroy it.

[01:07:21] You’re moving through it and transforming it.

[01:07:23] ANDY WALKER: Brilliant. Brilliant. I think that’s a great addition. That is, there’s something magical about that because when you. It just recontextualizes how the exercise, that exercise could go just, just by knowing that.

[01:07:35] DEBRA STANGL: Yeah.

[01:07:36] ANDY WALKER: Very, very good.

[01:07:38] All right, well, tell us one more time for the members how they can get hold you and learn all about everything you do. And listen, tell us some about the book again, just real briefly and then we’ll sign off, we’ll say goodbye.

[01:07:48] But I think, I think members have a tendency to like engage our guests a lot more. So. So these guys. So tell em what they need to know.

[01:07:55] DEBRA STANGL: So Our website is sedonasouladventures.com and you can get all the information about our retreat and about our trips to Egypt and Peru. And you can also go on there and schedule a consult with one of our soul guides, which is no cost, no obligation.

[01:08:16] And just doing that is really uplifting and really powerful.

[01:08:22] And then Richard and I have our book coming out launching in April,

[01:08:27] High Vibe Relationship. You can also go on highvibe relationship.com and get information about the book and also pre order it.

[01:08:38] And we’re so excited about the book coming out.

[01:08:42] ANDY WALKER: Well, congratulations in advance. It’s such an exciting project and it’s such a. An embodiment of all of the work you’ve done with through Sedona Soul Adventures. At least one side of the business, perhaps.

[01:08:52] You know, it’s just fascinating. Fascinating. So congratulations on that.

[01:08:56] DEBRA STANGL: We’re just so excited about it.

[01:08:58] ANDY WALKER: Very good, very good.

[01:09:00] For those of you that want to get that all consolidated into one place, go check out woobiz.net we have show notes for this episode and all that information is there so that you don’t have to suddenly type it quickly in your phone or whatever or remember it.

[01:09:13] But that’s it for us this week. Thanks, Deborah, for sticking around with us. You’re a delight as always. And the more time I get with you, the happier I am, as you can tell.

[01:09:23] DEBRA STANGL: Thanks, Andy. It’s always so great to be with you.

[01:09:25] ANDY WALKER: You’re a doll. All right, well,

[01:09:28] hopefully we’ll have you back at some point, maybe when your book comes out. Well, let’s do just get Richard in on the game and then we’ll do something on the book too.

[01:09:35] DEBRA STANGL: That would be fantastic. Yeah, he’d love that. He’s a talker. He’s a talker. As you know.

[01:09:42] ANDY WALKER: As I know. As I know. Well, all right. Well, we’ll do that.

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