Ep 19 – Which Psychic Power Do You Have? with Lisa Campion

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Summary

This episode explores how psychic abilities show up differently in each person, featuring a deep-dive conversation between Andy Walker and psychic mentor Lisa Campion. They discuss the four core intuitive modalities—clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and claircognizance—and explain how to recognize which one is dominant for you. Lisa shares personal stories, practical examples, and tips for developing your natural energetic sensitivities while avoiding common pitfalls such as overwhelm, fear, or misinterpreting intuitive impressions.

WooBiz+ Extended Episode

This WooBiz+ segment focuses on helping founders, creators, and leaders identify the psychic style that supports their professional decision-making. Lisa Campion explains how each intuitive modality offers a different business advantage:

  • Claircognizants excel at fast strategic thinking and gut-level decision-making.
  • Clairsentients are strong in people-reading, emotional insight, and leadership empathy.
  • Clairaudients receive internal guidance like ideas, phrases, or “downloads” that help with creativity and communication.
  • Clairvoyants are strong visual thinkers who excel in visioning, branding, design, and long-term forecasting.

Lisa and Andy emphasize that intuition is a professional asset—not a liability—and they outline simple practices to strengthen and trust your natural psychic blueprint. The segment closes with guidance on grounding, energetic hygiene, and integrating intuition into everyday business choices.

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Detailed Summary

Here is a breakdown of the episode:

This episode begins with Andy Walker introducing the idea that psychic information doesn’t arrive the same way for everyone. Lisa Campion explains that most people mistakenly assume intuition must look “dramatic,” when in truth psychic perception tends to be subtle, familiar, and often lifelong. She breaks down the four main psychic modalities:

Clairvoyance

Lisa describes visual intuition as inner imagery, symbolic flashes, or dreamlike mental pictures. It isn’t usually like watching a movie—more like quick impressions. Many clairvoyants have been visual learners since childhood.

Clairaudience

This modality shows up as internal dialogue, hearing phrases, sudden words, or tonal shifts. People with strong clairaudience often think in language, enjoy writing, or talk themselves through decisions.

Clairsentience

Described as the “empath’s intuition,” this ability shows up as body sensations, emotional tuning, or energetic sensitivity. Lisa explains how clairsentients often struggle until they learn boundaries, grounding, and emotional separation from others.

Claircognizance

This is intuitive knowing without a logical trail—a feeling of “I just know.” Lisa notes that this is common in entrepreneurs and strategists who make fast, accurate decisions and often don’t realize this is a psychic skill.

Lisa and Andy discuss their personal experiences
Lisa shares that her strongest early gift was clairsentience, which became overwhelming until she learned how to manage energetic input. Her clairvoyance developed later in life, particularly in her 50s. Andy discusses recognizing his own intuitive pathways as part of his journey.

They talk about how to identify your strongest modality by paying attention to how you naturally receive information and how you respond under pressure. Lisa explains that you can develop all four, but most people have one dominant “gateway skill.”

Practical Tools Discussed

Lisa provides several actionable methods to strengthen intuition safely:

  • Grounding to avoid energetic overload
  • Shielding or protection techniques for empaths
  • Journaling intuitive hits for pattern recognition
  • Asking for guidance and waiting for the modality to respond
  • Learning the symbolic language of your subconscious mind

They also clarify the difference between anxiety, imagination, and intuition—highlighting that intuition arrives calmly and without emotional charge.

Business and Leadership Application

Throughout the episode, Andy and Lisa emphasize how psychic abilities can enhance problem-solving, creativity, leadership, and decision-making. They encourage entrepreneurs to see intuition as a strategic advantage and to integrate it alongside logic.

Lisa Campion’s Website

https://lisacampion.com

Lisa Campion’s Bio

Lisa Campion is not your grandma’s psychic. She’s the mentor you wish you’d met before you started doubting your own gifts.

Since childhood, Lisa’s been seeing energy, colors, and the kinds of spirits most people only talk about on Halloween—except, for her, it was Tuesday. These days, she’s the go-to resource for every emerging psychic, empath, and “I-feeltoo-much” healer who secretly suspects the world needs them. (It does. She’ll prove it.)

As the founder of Quantum Light Wave Healing and author of four books—including the best-selling The Art of Psychic Reiki —Lisa is equal parts quantum science geek and kitchen-table mystic. Forget vague “trust the universe” advice, Lisa translates your intuition and psychic hits into practical tools you can use to transform lives, starting with your own. Her mission? Radical, but simple: train an army of healer to go out there and save the planet one conscious soul at a time.

If you’ve ever felt too sensitive, too “out there,” or just plain too psychic, Lisa is here to show you that’s really your superpower. Off-duty, you’ll find her gardening, dancing her heart out, or watching old sci-fi movies, delighting in every scrap of magic this world can throw at her. (Yes, she’s probably barefoot. No, she’s not judging your crystals.)

Ready to find your own next-level psychic gifts? Drop your story at LisaCampion.com, sign up for her newsletter, or just leave her a comment about your own psychic adventures. Seriously. She reads them all.

Additional resources

Transcript:

[00:00] Andy Walker: Psychic information can come in many ways. Some people see it and others just know,

[00:06] feel,

[00:06] hear, or even smell it.

[00:09] Which Claire are you psychic? And author Lisa Campion joins us to explore how your intuition speaks and how to recognize your strongest psychic sense. That’s today on Woo Biz.

[00:38] Welcome to another edition of Woo Biz. My name’s Andy Walker. This is the show that explores extra sensory skills, but at the nexus of business. So if you’re an entrepreneur, a business leader, an innovator, or a creative, this show is for you.

[00:55] Today’s guest is not your grandma’s psychic. I love that Lisa Campion is the mentor you wish you’d met before you started doubting your intuition.

[01:05] Since childhood, she’s seen energy, colors, and the kinds of spirits most people only talk about on Halloween.

[01:12] Lisa is the founder of Quantum Light Wave Healing and the author of four books, including the bestselling the Art of Psychic Reiki and her newest awakening, your Psychic Ability, which we’ll dive into today.

[01:25] Her work bridges the mystical and the practical, helping empaths, psychics and healers turn the sensitivity into strength.

[01:33] She’s also going to help us entrepreneurs and business leaders as well. In this conversation, her mission is bold, to train an army of healers to help save the planet one conscious soul at a time.

[01:46] You can learn more about [email protected] hello, Lisa. Welcome to Woo Biz.

[01:54] Lisa Campion: I’m so happy to be here with you today, Andy. Thanks for having me.

[01:57] Andy Walker: Yeah, a pleasure.

[01:57] Lisa Campion: A pleasure.

[01:58] Andy Walker: I wanted to start with a couple of questions. Very often what I’ll do is I’ll start with,

[02:04] you know, how did you become an intuitive, a working psychic? Because that’s essentially what you do. And I also want to talk about, you know, your book. And clearly there is a demand for that and learning all about, you know, how to become a psychic and that sort of thing.

[02:17] So let’s start off the top with,

[02:20] so have you had this sort of second side, the ability to be a psychic since you were wee little, or did it come to you later in life?

[02:28] Lisa Campion: Wee little. I really think I was born this way, you know, and it was quite an odd thing because, you know, I was born in the 60s, so I was growing up in the 60s and 70s, going to university in the 80s.

[02:39] And back then it wasn’t something you could talk about. It wasn’t something that, you know, there was like an open conversation. It was really,

[02:47] I felt like something I had to hide about myself,

[02:50] my parents,

[02:51] you know, fortunately for me, my parents were hippies so they didn’t, like, drag me to the church and throw holy water on me. Like, happens to some people.

[02:59] Or they didn’t throw me in a mental hospital, which also happens to some people. Yeah, when you see angels and, you know, if you see angels and talk to dead Uncle Fred, it doesn’t always go well for you, you know,

[03:09] especially back then.

[03:11] So I spent a lot of my childhood just trying to figure out what was going on and,

[03:17] you know, trying to be normal, pretend to be normal in public. And my.

[03:23] My parents told me, oh, gosh, it’s your imagination. And I was like, is it, though? Like, is it really? Like, I don’t know if it is, you know,

[03:30] and it was an odd, oddball way to grow up and. But I just knew that I wanted to do this. I knew that I. It’s what I wanted to do.

[03:38] And I started actually working as a psychic when I was 19. That was back in the 80s.

[03:43] And it was tough because, you know, there was no really resources. There were no books about it. There was no psychics on tv, There was no Internet.

[03:52] You know, I’m going back old school into the. Into the olden days,

[03:57] and I just,

[03:58] you know, I feel like I learned everything the hard way and had to really hustle and figure it all out for myself. So I really love to help other people not have to do that,

[04:07] you know, to have an easier time.

[04:10] So many more people,

[04:11] their psychic abilities waking up. Right now,

[04:15] we do things like yoga, meditation, Reiki, and that really opens our psychic. And if I can help somebody understand what’s going on for them and let their abilities bloom in a more graceful and easy way than I had, than I went through, that’s a really good day for me.

[04:32] Andy Walker: So you started working at 19,

[04:34] and was it something that you had to continue to develop, or was it just there? Because in my experience, right, I’m. I’m not a natural psychic. I mean, my. I have a mother who sees and feels entities and stuff like that, and I’ve had my own experiences.

[04:46] But honestly, my desire to develop myself, my intuition and that sort of thing,

[04:51] you know, came later in my 50s. Whereas I’m guessing that, like. And I read an introduction to your. To your book in. And you talk about a particular client that was just like, full of energy and all kinds of visions and she’s going crazy and how do I deal with this?

[05:05] And should I turn it off?

[05:06] Lisa Campion: Right.

[05:07] Andy Walker: Was. Was it like that for you? Kind of like the Niagara Falls of, like, messages or. What was the experience?

[05:12] Lisa Campion: Yeah, it kind of was. And. And especially for me, I. You know, because I was a visual psychic, you know, I think that’s harder. Like, when you. Because it’s harder to see things, it somehow makes it more real.

[05:21] And especially when I was really little, I would see things,

[05:25] almost like see things with my real eyes, you know. You know, it was hard for me to tell the difference between a spirit and a. Like, a real person. So I couldn’t always tell the difference.

[05:34] And that was super challenging. Fortunately, I don’t have that anymore, which I’m really grateful for.

[05:40] And.

[05:41] And to take your point, I. I do think we have to work it. It’s sort of like athletic ability or musical ability. You can be born with it. Some people are born with a lot, some people not so much.

[05:54] But whatever you have, you have to practice,

[05:56] so you have to work on it. And there, I think there’s sort of a myth that you’re just born fully fledged. You know, like the t. The famous psychics, the celebrity psychics, they all work.

[06:05] They all just like, you know, professional musicians or professional athletes.

[06:10] Those people work and practice and train. And I don’t know, I think that’s cool because that means that any of us can do it. And that’s.

[06:18] That’s sort of my point. If you want to develop your intuition, if you want to develop your psychic, you can, if you’re willing to put the work into it.

[06:24] Andy Walker: So how do you distinguish between being intuitive and being psychic? Is it a matter of degrees?

[06:30] Lisa Campion: I think it’s a matter of where the information is coming from. So I always think of intuition as like, our own inner knowing. It’s our,

[06:38] like,

[06:38] extra. I love the old school term, extra. Sensory perception. You know, like, we just have that.

[06:44] Intuitives are. I feel like reading more or processing more of the sensory data that we’re getting around us.

[06:50] And that intuition is like our inner knowing. Our inner wisdom is. Is coming from ourself, you know,

[06:57] and psychic is more like information that comes from outside yourself, which sounds nuts until you think about angels and Dead Uncle Fred.

[07:05] You know that psychics are connecting with something outside of them.

[07:09] You know that.

[07:11] And that’s really the difference. We. And I think we all start with intuition. Like, that’s the place to start. But if you have it,

[07:18] you know, and you develop it, then oftentimes what happens is our psychic also pops open.

[07:23] Andy Walker: So it’s a matter of where the information’s coming from, I suppose.

[07:26] Lisa Campion: Yes, that’s right. And.

[07:28] Andy Walker: And I would imagine too, to a certain extent, like,

[07:31] so I’ve talked to a fair number of practitioners, and it seems like some have different methodologies. Some use props like cards and that sort of thing, and scrying even.

[07:40] And some people just have this natural. Like they’re. They see stuff or they hear stuff.

[07:45] And I would imagine this a distinguished to distinguish between, like, being psychic, meaning being able to read somebody’s mind, like extra sensory. Right. Like being able to read somebody and then connecting with, say, angels or ascendant beings or something like that.

[07:59] So which one, which one of those do you work with?

[08:02] Lisa Campion: I do all of it, and I think we can do all of it.

[08:05] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[08:05] Lisa Campion: You know,

[08:07] my,

[08:08] my. I think my real talent is this psychic is what I call soul reading. And that’s looking at who you are at the level of your soul.

[08:15] I think people are just so amazing and interesting and that might be like looking at your past lives, looking at your future,

[08:23] looking at your life purpose, what you came here to do, what might be blocking that, who your spirit team is, you know, who your soul family is and what your contracts are with your soul family.

[08:34] That’s the level of information that I get. Because I’ve been doing this for so long, I’ve. I really think I’ve heard it all, like, you know,

[08:42] answering relationship questions, money, health.

[08:44] You know,

[08:45] lots of people come to see me if they feel stuck. Like they don’t know how to move forward or in there in the middle of a crisis, and they want some information to help guide them through a crisis point.

[08:56] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[08:56] Lisa Campion: And every psychic works in a very different way. That’s just how I do it.

[09:00] Andy Walker: I see. Interesting. And when you get messages, do. Do you get messages?

[09:05] Sort of.

[09:05] So you said you’re very, very visual. So do you see symbols? And you have like a whole Alphabet of symbols that,

[09:11] that for the communication.

[09:12] Lisa Campion: Watching a little movie. More like watching a little movie in your head, you know,

[09:16] and. And I also feel, see, sense sort of a combination of all of them together.

[09:22] Knowing it, feeling it, hearing it, seeing it.

[09:25] Most of it’s like watching a little movie in my head.

[09:29] Andy Walker: Very good. I see. It’s almost like YouTube. It really is YouTube.

[09:34] Lisa Campion: Have you ever, like, you know, you sat at a bar with somebody who had a TV behind their head?

[09:38] Andy Walker: Yes.

[09:39] Lisa Campion: And you can, like, look at them or you can look at the tv, what’s playing on the tv? It’s more like that, you know, so when I’m looking at somebody and I can see,

[09:47] and you’ll see, like, I’ll look up. I’ll look up into the you know, over there. And that’s where I’m seeing the info. Like the TV, this little movie. And sometimes it’s like five TVs,

[09:57] you know,

[09:58] so it might be like your dead ancestors over here and your future over here and your past lives over here. Like,

[10:05] I can sort of switch my attention, almost like changing the channel on the TV to get whatever find to help you, whatever it is you need or to know in the moment, really.

[10:15] Andy Walker: Fascinating. Fascinating.

[10:17] So you’d be defined as a traditional clairvoyant then. And that’s kind of what I’m going to talk to you today a little bit about is there’s different Claires. Let’s talk about the Claires.

[10:26] And since. So clairvoyant would be probably the most well known, I would imagine. And that’s where you can.

[10:31] Where the information you get is visual. Is that right?

[10:33] Lisa Campion: That’s right. It’s.

[10:35] It’s also the most rare.

[10:37] It’s the one that’s kind of the biggest pain in the neck. And a lot of people who have it wish they didn’t.

[10:42] So there’s this kind of catch 22 of like, people think they’re not psychic. Well, I didn’t see anything. And this happens a lot. When I train psychics.

[10:50] We’ll do some psychic exercise and I’ll be like, I didn’t see anything, so I didn’t get anything. And that’s unfortunate because it is the. It is the most rare and can be challenging.

[11:00] You know, like, it doesn’t. Like I said, it doesn’t go well if you’re seeing things, you know, that’s not something people generally understand or,

[11:08] I don’t know, can be problematic. Let’s just put it that way.

[11:11] Andy Walker: Sure.

[11:12] Lisa Campion: Yeah.

[11:13] Andy Walker: It also must be like. Like, I think about,

[11:15] like, I’m fairly clar. I mean, I have somewhat clairvoyant. Like when I. I went to Sedona and I did some exercises with an intuitive coach and have been developing myself.

[11:24] And certainly I get visual symbols and I see energies around people. I see light, I see colors and things like that.

[11:31] But I’m no Lisa Campion, put it that way.

[11:34] I’m very early in my journey.

[11:37] So clairvoyant, then. I guess it’s the most famous because it’s visual. Movies love to play with that. That sort of thing. But what other Claires are there then? Tell us the.

[11:44] Is there five, if I understand it.

[11:46] Lisa Campion: There’S actually, I think more than that, but there are five main ones. So the next one is clairaudience, and that’s hearing things, you know, or you really feel like you’re hearing.

[11:56] And it’s usually not something that you hear out actually out loud with your actual physical ears. A lot of times it’s like one of the voices in your head just isn’t you.

[12:06] You know what I mean?

[12:08] And like, you know how we all talk to ourselves all the time and I guess not everybody does, but most people have like an inner dialogue.

[12:14] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[12:14] Lisa Campion: And their audience have like, are aware of like. And usually it’s quite simple. Like,

[12:20] you know, could be the little voice in your head that says, you know, take your umbrella, it’s going to rain. Or,

[12:25] you know, don’t take the back road today. The highway’s, you know, traffic jammed.

[12:30] So it, it’s often very simple, subtle. It doesn’t have to be like so dramatic. Like we, when we watch movies, you know, like this angel comes in with this trumpet and you know, the psychic like falls down on the floor and has a fit and foams at the mouth a little bit.

[12:45] Like, it’s not like that. It’s most of the time it’s not like that. You know, it’s something really that’s happening like 10 times a day that you’re probably just dismissing as whatever.

[12:56] That’s just the, you know, that’s just my weird quirky thing I have there.

[12:59] Andy Walker: You know, it’s interesting because.

[13:01] So I think maybe I have some clear audience too,

[13:04] but it’s only occasional. Like one night I was lying in bed and just chilling and about to go to sleep and I had the urge I heard a message that said, get up and send an email to your parents.

[13:18] Now the background is that my parents and I don’t have a good relationship spin like a bad relationship for a decade or so. But I was in the process of trying to resolve that and, and, and it was a very distinct voice that said,

[13:33] go send them an email. Right?

[13:36] Lisa Campion: Yeah.

[13:36] Andy Walker: And to the point where I, like, I was. It was so separate from my own internal voice that I’m like, I don’t know what, who that is or what that is, but.

[13:45] So that would be a really good example, right?

[13:47] Lisa Campion: Yeah. What a great example.

[13:49] Love it. And Clara Clairaudient people often really love music.

[13:53] Love.

[13:54] Sometimes they’ll hear like rapping, knock, knocking in your house.

[13:59] Sometimes like a high pitched ringing in your ears is also sort of a sign of like clairaudience opening. Yeah.

[14:06] Andy Walker: Ah, very interesting.

[14:07] And then, so then there was another incident. And this is contrary to what you just said, but I wonder what your perspective is on it again. Years ago, I was in transition from one job to another.

[14:18] It was a career change just before I got into telev and I was emotionally somewhat frustrated, I gotta say. And one day I’m. I was about to go for an audition for a show that I ended up co hosting.

[14:31] And the what I heard, I was walking down a set of stairs in a. In a. In my parents house, interestingly enough. And I heard the word my name out loud like a.

[14:42] With my ears, I heard Andy.

[14:44] Yeah, right. It was very distinct. And I literally stopped and went, yes, yes. And then I went upstairs. There was nobody there. There was no radio on. There was nothing.

[14:52] There was nobody in the house. There was no source for that. And it was very crisp and very clear. Now that must be a little rarer in terms of clairaudience, no?

[15:00] Or is that something.

[15:01] Lisa Campion: It’s a little rare, but it’s, you know, it does happen. It’s happened to me. Right. I’ve swear I’ve heard. I’ve heard someone say mom. Like really? And I’m like, ooh, what?

[15:11] You know,

[15:12] even though my kids are adults now, nobody,

[15:14] no little kids are calling me mom. But you know that. I’ve heard it a few times.

[15:19] You know, we just sort of have to open up and accept that like somebody was trying to get your attention. And I would just be really curious about who it was, you know, Was that one of your spirit guides?

[15:29] Was it like a spirit floating around? Something was trying to get your attention. But I would absolutely pay. Pay attention to take it seriously. And I think a lot of psychic work is like being in a detective.

[15:40] So we get these kind of like strange experiences and we kind of have to keep digging around it. Be like, who was that? You know, and go into detective mode until we figure it out.

[15:49] Andy Walker: Got it? Yeah. Okay. So that’s clairaudient. What’s. What’s the next one that you would sort of point to?

[15:55] Lisa Campion: The next one that’s really common su. And super useful. And that, sadly, a lot of people dismiss is claircognizance in the inner knowing, the gut knowing. And that’s like, I don’t know why I know, I just know.

[16:06] Or you say, I knew that was gonna happen, you know,

[16:09] um, and people often dismiss that because sometimes they write it off as common sense.

[16:16] And oftentimes it really interferes with our mind, you know. So here’s a great example.

[16:21] Let’s say you. You meet somebody for the first time and you get that gut feeling. You’re like, no. Like, no, I just Know that that’s a shady person. And your mind will kick in and be like, lisa, don’t be mean.

[16:33] Like, why are you thinking, like, everybody else likes that person? And you’re like, okay, you know,

[16:38] and we know it happens when we don’t listen to our gut. It’s sort of that gut sense. And it’s so. It’s such a beautiful.

[16:46] It happens a lot when we meet people. That kind of first impression thing. This really, a lot of times, Claire cognizance.

[16:51] Super reliable, super useful, accurate,

[16:56] very helpful. And I wish more people paid attention to it because we know what happens when we don’t. Right?

[17:01] Andy Walker: That’s right. Yeah. Then you end up in a pickle with that person, or you hire them, or you, you know, you run in or you date.

[17:08] Lisa Campion: Marry them or marry.

[17:09] Andy Walker: Right. And it’s like, oh, I shouldn’t have done that.

[17:13] Well, and that’s. I would imagine that cloud cognizance is something that,

[17:17] like, I would imagine a lot of business leaders, it’s that gut feeling. A lot of business leaders, entrepreneurs, people like that, they’re really good at tuning into that gut feel and that sense, especially when it comes to hiring people and, and.

[17:28] And hiring and firing and staff and that sort of thing. I would imagine,

[17:33] you know, like, sometimes I’ve even seen a candidate go. Go through a process and know that that person, like, I’ve been party to it, and that person ended up getting hired by the hiring manager.

[17:43] And it’s just a sense. But they wouldn’t necessarily, on paper, the right person, but the chemistry was there.

[17:49] Lisa Campion: Yeah, I think it’s really good to follow that. You know, those first impressions are usually very accurate.

[17:56] And I think. I think for business people,

[17:59] it’s really to have a balance between common sense, logical, you know, analytic and intuition.

[18:06] And we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and give up our common sense.

[18:10] You know, we want to really get the best of both worlds. So trust your gut for sure, and then sort of double check with your.

[18:18] Your logic.

[18:19] And I think those two things together are incredibly helpful for business people.

[18:25] Andy Walker: Got it. Great. Okay.

[18:26] Lisa Campion: Claire.

[18:27] Andy Walker: Cognizance.

[18:28] All right.

[18:29] I can’t imagine,

[18:31] you know, how some people,

[18:32] they can smell, say, somebody’s perfume, like a dead person’s perfume or something like that. I used to smell soot coming out. It was an old house, so it might have actually been in the air, but nobody else seemed to smell it.

[18:42] I used to smell soot and like a fire in an old 8, 1912 house, that I lived in at some point,

[18:50] and I always wondered if that was an actual odor or. Or I was some sort of Claire. What would that, Clara be? Claire? Smelliance.

[18:56] Lisa Campion: It’s. I think it’s called Claire Gustiance, and it’s a combination of smell and taste.

[19:04] And it is. You know, they. They say that smell is the sense that’s most connected to our memory. Right.

[19:12] So a lot of times when we’re dealing with spirits of the, you know, who have crossed over,

[19:17] they announce themselves with smell because it triggers our memory. You know, like, I can always tell when my grandma’s around, because I can. She had this.

[19:26] The perfume that she wore, you know, and she had a particular smell,

[19:30] and, like, spearmint gum and lavender and the.

[19:34] The perfume that she wore. And I don’t. You know, it.

[19:38] Nothing will take me back to her in my memory quicker than that smell. So a lot of times when our loved ones want to come by for a visit, they’ll announce themselves with our smell because it jogs our memory.

[19:50] It makes so no trust that it’s really them.

[19:53] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[19:55] Lisa Campion: And I would say that you’re, you know, if nobody else smelled that, we’re going to go with.

[20:00] You were, you know, you were sensing something. And I would go into detective mode and be like, was there a fire here? Did somebody die in a fire? Like, what happened?

[20:08] You know, like, why was that light green around? And that’s where I would get curious about what your experience was.

[20:14] Andy Walker: Interesting. Interesting. Wow. So if you smell something that nobody else smells, be aware it might be your. Your Clair Gustian, Claire Gustian.

[20:23] Lisa Campion: And it. It’s pretty cool. It’s often really connected with people we’ve known.

[20:27] Andy Walker: Wow, that’s really. Yeah, it makes sense. Right? Like, if I think about the smell, the lavender smell, that makes my me think of my grandmother. She had little lavender sachets she would put in with her clothes.

[20:36] I always joke, I said, if I smell lavender, it’s my grandmother around, and it’s coming from her underwear drawer because she would have these little sachets.

[20:44] Lisa Campion: My grandmother was. The inside of her purse. It was the inside of her purse had this really,

[20:48] you know, particular smell that is so linked to my memory, and it’s like gum and money and lavender and.

[20:54] Andy Walker: Oh, that’s great.

[20:55] Lisa Campion: And her perfume.

[20:56] Andy Walker: Oh, I love it. That’s great. Okay, so that’s four.

[21:00] Lisa Campion: What.

[21:00] Andy Walker: What else do we got?

[21:02] Lisa Campion: We have clairsentience, which is the feeling. And it often goes really with Claire. The claircognizance, the knowing.

[21:09] And you’ll have that. If you say, I don’t have a good feeling about, I have a good feeling or I don’t have a good feeling about it is how we experience it, but it’s also really connected with our own emotions or being an empath.

[21:20] So people who really identify with being an empath definitely have that. And that’s where we are very hyper aware of the. We absorb the feelings,

[21:32] emotions, thoughts, and physical energy of the people around us. You know, so I see you sit down, you. You sit down next to somebody that has a headache. You have the headache, or they’re really, really sad, and suddenly you’re really sad.

[21:44] So empaths experience other people’s stuff like it’s ours. It’s not like we just notice, oh, that person’s sad. We’re like, oh my God, I don’t know why I’m so sad right now.

[21:53] Like, it’s,

[21:54] you know, sad.

[21:55] Andy Walker: Like you take it on like it’s the flu, almost like, oh my God, you’re angry, I’m angry now kind of thing.

[21:59] Lisa Campion: Yes. It can be very confusing for our empaths until they figure out that’s what’s on, going, going on, you know.

[22:04] Andy Walker: Oh, yeah.

[22:04] Lisa Campion: It’s just a super good thing to know about yourself because you’ll think you’re nuts until you figure out that what you’re feeling and experiencing might not be yours.

[22:13] Andy Walker: Yeah, yeah. And that must be really difficult in environments where, say, you walk through a conference. So you walk through a, you know, you walk in a room full of people at a party.

[22:20] If you’re, if you’re clairsentient, you’re picking up on every single argument, fights, piece of stress, love affair, everything in between.

[22:28] Lisa Campion: No,

[22:29] that’s right. Yeah. Public places are hard.

[22:31] I find hotels difficult because think about all the things that happen in hotels or hospitals, like just where there’s a lot of life happening.

[22:41] That energy of that unprocessed emotions tend to linger in our environment. So empaths can be quite sensitive to the environments that we’re in.

[22:48] It will make you really an amazing. As a business owner,

[22:53] this is the person you want to put in the HR department or the person you want to put in,

[22:57] you know, the people positions, because their psychic genius is an understanding.

[23:02] Oh, so and so’s mad. Even though they’re saying they’re okay or so and so is not, you know, going through something,

[23:07] we can feel it and know it even when the person isn’t saying it. And that can be quite useful.

[23:12] You should have one on your staff.

[23:14] Andy Walker: I think you’re right.

[23:15] Yeah. Absolutely. At least. And certainly some want somebody on your staff that actually understands the nature of how to use it. Because it can be. I imagine it could be very.

[23:24] Imagine being a. An HR manager and, like, being able to read that on people. That would be amazing.

[23:29] Like, you’d be hiring all the right people, and it would make your job so much easier. Right. Because humans, I find, are a big mystery, as a general rule.

[23:36] Lisa Campion: Yeah. And they’re not to empaths.

[23:38] Andy Walker: No.

[23:39] Lisa Campion: Empaths understand human nature. They understand somebody’s not doing well. Even they’re. Even though they’re trying to, like,

[23:45] you know,

[23:46] appear to be fine when they’re really not. Like, that’s. Empaths are. Have that superpower. I think it’s amazing.

[23:53] Andy Walker: Wow. Wow. It’s cool. All right. Do we miss any?

[23:56] Lisa Campion: Yeah.

[23:56] Andy Walker: Or. You said there’s a lot. A few more.

[23:59] Lisa Campion: There’s one I think is super important. Most people don’t talk about, and that’s the body sense,

[24:05] and it’s our kinesthetic, our somatic. And that’s when you feel things in your body.

[24:11] And everybody also has this. But again, a lot of people don’t pay attention to it. And that’s, like, when you,

[24:17] um,

[24:18] you’ll. It’s very connected to our survival and our instincts.

[24:21] So it’s kind of like our. Our psychic instincts for survival.

[24:25] So you might feel like tingling or,

[24:28] you know,

[24:29] I. There’s something that I call the truth signal. That when you hear the truth, speak the truth, hear somebody else hear, like, a profound truth, we get like, a shiver.

[24:38] Some people cry. Some people, like, get a rush of energy up and down their spine, get goose flesh. You walk into the haunted house and all the hair on the back of your neck stands up.

[24:47] So it’s super accurate, it’s super useful. It’s really, really geared to help you survive.

[24:53] And a lot of times the body sense, the feeling and the knowing go together. That’s sort of the trifecta of our intuition.

[25:00] So when they are all agreeing with each other, that’s when you really, absolutely should pay attention to what’s happening. You have a bad feeling, you got that twisty, weird feeling in your stomach,

[25:09] and you’re like, ah. Your inner knowing’s like, something’s not cool here.

[25:13] That would be like, all the alarm bells are ringing and you should pay attention.

[25:17] Andy Walker: That’s when you shouldn’t board the airplane.

[25:20] Lisa Campion: That’s when you should not board the airplane. You should take the taxi instead of get on the subway.

[25:27] Andy Walker: Oh, Fascinating. Fascinating. Cool. Okay. Anything else worth mentioning? Or. Or I think those are the big ones, the core ones, right? Yeah, those are the core ones.

[25:36] Lisa Campion: Yeah.

[25:37] Andy Walker: So once I determine, actually once I determine which ones are me,

[25:42] then is there a distinct path for each one or is it. Do you. When you develop yourself,

[25:48] is it this the baseline, the same. And then you just allow whatever it is that you have, whatever Claire you have to develop as open up as you develop yourself.

[25:57] Like what’s the.

[25:58] Lisa Campion: I think the.

[25:58] Andy Walker: What would your recommendation.

[26:00] Lisa Campion: The one that you’re strongest with is the one to really pay attention to. And one of the things that I think is really useful is to get what I call your psychic journal.

[26:08] And you can just get any old journal and write psychic journal on it. Or I did actually publish one.

[26:14] And start writing down in your journal every. Like if you remember your dreams in the morning, write em down in there. If you have that strong hit when you first meet somebody,

[26:24] whatever your psychic impressions or intuitive impressions are, put them, write them down. Because a lot of times they’re very ephemeral and we could have like this kind of like,

[26:34] you know, smack in the face, kind of like real. Aha. Like oh my gosh. And then five minutes go by, you forget about it if you don’t write it down, you know.

[26:41] Andy Walker: Right.

[26:42] Lisa Campion: And then when you can have that like, oh gosh, this knowing on Monday, by the time Wednesday rolls around, you’ve forgotten about it. So when you write it down and pay attention to it, that’s I think the easiest thing we can do to expand them.

[26:55] I always say you’ll be amazed how psychic you really are if you do that exercise.

[27:00] Andy Walker: Yeah.

[27:01] Lisa Campion: If you pull cards, put them in there too. If you pull oracle cards or tarot cards or if you see signs and omens happening around you, like you’re always looking at the clock and it says 11.

[27:09] 11. Or you know, you’re, you’re kind of in the role of synchronicities and signs and omens. Record everything in that journal.

[27:16] And as you record it and pay attention to it, that’s, you know, whatever we pay attention to gets bigger. It’s. And psychic’s like a muscle, intuition’s like a muscle. So we need to do some reps, we need to do some like.

[27:27] Yeah.

[27:28] Exercises. I think that can help us also strengthen our intuition.

[27:32] Andy Walker: Brilliant. Brilliant. What a great tip. Yeah, that’s good. Actually. I have a journal when I was in, in Sedona. This is going back a year ago now.

[27:40] We went to a little mining town near there. And they have like one of these, you know, they have lots of mystical books.

[27:45] Lisa Campion: Super hot to Glen was super hot. Wow. I’ve been there too. That place is nice.

[27:51] Andy Walker: Really cool. Yeah, I know. I got this like really awesome, like leather bound book that I put all my little psychic notes and it’s really cool.

[27:57] Lisa Campion: Cool.

[27:58] Andy Walker: Anyway, good. Okay, so now I know my Claire’s.

[28:02] So. And obviously you wrote a book before we jump into the exercise. Cause I want you to do a little. Give us a little exercise in a minute. But, but I want to talk a bit about your book.

[28:10] So knowing all of this and given that you’ve written a book that’s designed to help train people to develop themselves.

[28:18] Right. What’s your best advice to somebody who’s kind of starting out, getting the feel of it, trying to figure out the Claire’s.

[28:24] How do they develop themselves from here? Especially if they want to do it in the context of work?

[28:29] Lisa Campion: I think it’s about really taking time to listen because we have our most psychic moments when we’re quiet and we live in such a noisy world that if you want more of that, you have to take some time where you’re not listening to a podcast.

[28:43] No offense, of course, I listen to podcasts too, all day. But you know, where we’re. We don’t have any noise in our ear. The TV’s off, the radio’s off.

[28:50] We need 15 minutes of really quiet in order to like stare out the window. You know our. We go into the most psychic when our brain downshifts out of the beta brainwave and into the alpha brainwave.

[29:02] And that alpha brainwave, sort of a light, trancy, daydreaming state you might get into when you’re driving, when you’re walking the dog, when you’re washing the dishes, folding laundry. And a really cool, fun exercise you can do is write a question you have in your psychic journal and then go wash the dishes.

[29:18] Quiet, quiet. Walk,

[29:19] quiet, drive,

[29:21] stare out the window, do a little light meditation and just be aware. Oh, the shower. People get their best psychic information in the shower. It’s. Well, it’s a well known fact and just an allow whatever like realization.

[29:35] It’ll probably come to you in like a, ooh, like an aha moment. You might feel it, sense it, know it, see it.

[29:41] You know it will come through whatever your open Claires are.

[29:44] And then write the answer that you got down in your psychic journal.

[29:48] So that is a simple everyday thing we can do because we can’t receive it if we’re too Too noisy. If there’s too much static in our, you know, in our mind all the time, too much noise in our mind.

[29:59] We need a little quiet space for that information to come through.

[30:02] Andy Walker: Yeah, yeah. I think, I think psychologists call it default mode network. And it’s where the brain shifts out of action and shifts into kind of.

[30:10] Yeah, you said that middle ground that, that, you know, hot water shower, steamy kind of place that you go in your head.

[30:16] You know, I. It’s very effective. Yeah, you’re right. I. I think I’ve had a fair number of psychic experiences in the shower.

[30:23] Lisa Campion: You know, professional psychics learn, like me learn how to do. We learn how to downshift our brainwave into the alpha brainwave on demand, which is how you can show up and be psychic for a session, even when you’re not, you know, feeling it.

[30:38] Andy Walker: Sure.

[30:38] Lisa Campion: We can learn how to do that if we practice those things.

[30:42] Andy Walker: So do you. So you actually, before a session, you’ll. You go through a process in your head where you help you get yourself into that head space versus, say, an interview issue like this where it’s a very active qa.

[30:54] QA back forth.

[30:55] Like there’s no psychic stuff going on for you right now. You would have to pause and switch. And then you could do that. Is that right?

[31:01] Lisa Campion: Yes, that’s right.

[31:02] Andy Walker: Right. And would that be fair? I guess that makes sense for anybody who’s trying to develop themselves, Right. To recognize that there are like. You can’t be psychic when you’re busy doing a puzzle for it.

[31:12] Well, maybe you can if you’re doing a puzzle.

[31:13] Lisa Campion: Puzzles are a pretty good alpha brainwave state. But if you’re like,

[31:17] you know,

[31:19] talking, like talking or listening to things, like, we’re really actively thinking we’re in the beta brain wave.

[31:25] And that’s like, it’s great for analytics and problem solving, but it’s not good for psychic.

[31:31] Andy Walker: Interesting, eh? Because I would imagine in the workplace, right, we spent a lot of time in that. In that active state and not a lot in our. The neutral state, as it were.

[31:39] So we would have to actually go into an office, close the door, and actually choose that, at least at the beginning, as you.

[31:45] If you’re starting to use that kind of skill at work.

[31:47] Lisa Campion: Yeah, that’s right.

[31:49] Andy Walker: Cool. So you talked a bit about maybe having a little exercise for us. What are you gonna teach us today?

[31:55] Lisa Campion: Let’s just do a really quick process for tuning in and checking on our intuition that you can use anytime.

[32:00] Andy Walker: Great. Okay, let’s do it.

[32:02] Lisa Campion: All right. So what the best thing to start with is just to sort of center and ground yourself.

[32:08] And to do that, you might, you know, close your eyes and just take a deep breath and really, like, feel like you’re breathing into your heart, into your belly. On the inhale breath, so you become very present.

[32:19] And on the exhale, you’re going to blow down your legs and out the bottoms of your feet. That helps ground.

[32:24] And again, we’re going to inhale into your heart and your belly.

[32:28] Just imagine recalling your energy just disconnecting from whatever you got going on,

[32:34] and just be fully present with yourself.

[32:36] And every exhale goes down your legs and out the bottoms of your feet. It’s a really quick technique to ground. And we’re going to do one more like that.

[32:46] Breathing in, centering and exhaling, grounding.

[32:50] You might ask a question,

[32:51] and if you don’t have a question, you ask, what do I need to know right now?

[32:55] And then you imagine like your inner landscape is almost like an empty void. Sometimes I think about a blackboard that’s empty,

[33:03] just an empty space.

[33:06] And as you go into that empty space, you want to quiet and see, see what emerges,

[33:12] you know, just what this is called, tuning in.

[33:16] What emerges as you tune in? It’s usually quite simple.

[33:21] It might be like, wow, you really need more sleep, Lisa, and. Or it might be like,

[33:27] yeah, you bet. You better. There’s a ball you dropped over here. You better pay attention to that or email your parents right now like the one you had.

[33:33] Andy Walker: Right.

[33:35] Lisa Campion: And then when you’ve got it, you just sort of thank your inner self,

[33:39] thank your spirit team.

[33:41] Take a deep breath, and when you’re ready, you can open your eyes.

[33:46] Andy Walker: Very good. You know, it’s interesting.

[33:49] What came to me immediately was I started seeing music notes and sort of strange little notations on a. On, you know, a sort of a music sheet or something like that.

[33:58] I don’t know what that means.

[34:00] Lisa Campion: What does it mean to you? What does that mean to you? Does it. Do you like music?

[34:05] Andy Walker: It makes me think of my son. And he played tuba for a year,

[34:09] you know, and there was a lot of sheet music around.

[34:11] And I wonder if it’s got something to do with him, because then he come. He came to mind almost immediately as I. As I said that.

[34:17] Interesting.

[34:18] Lisa Campion: Yeah, yeah. When you get a symbol like that, I think the question is, what does that mean? What does that mean? Because a lot of times our intuitive information comes in the language of symbols.

[34:27] It’s coming in more to the right brain, the intuitive brain. The symbolic brain,

[34:31] and it arises like a dream, like. And part of what we need to do is learn to decode those symbols. And so asking, well, what does that mean to you?

[34:39] You got it right away. Your son. So I would get again, go into detective mode, and if you had more time in there, like, well, what about your son? What about your.

[34:47] What about my son? Do I need to know right now?

[34:50] Andy Walker: Right?

[34:50] Lisa Campion: And it might be like, oh, contact him. Or,

[34:53] you know,

[34:54] he’s.

[34:55] He’s says he’s okay, but he’s not. Or whatever arises is Something is flagging you to pay attention to your son.

[35:04] Andy Walker: So go digging. So when he comes home from school today, he’s 11, by the way, so, you know, so when he comes home, I’ll ask him.

[35:10] Yeah,

[35:11] what happened?

[35:12] Lisa Campion: You might even ask him, how do you feel about having, you know.

[35:15] You know, not about your music. How are you feeling about it? Is that. Are you glad you stopped? Do you want to keep going? I might, yeah. Ask him how.

[35:22] How that is for him right now.

[35:23] Andy Walker: How’s it. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, right? Sort of kind of connect the dots and then try to extract some information and see if there’s a resonance there.

[35:30] That’s really cool. That’s good. So I can use that exercise anytime, right? Like, I could just in the office, close the door,

[35:36] see what’s there.

[35:37] Bring a question, you know, hey, how do I improve sales? How do I.

[35:42] How do I deal with that?

[35:43] Lisa Campion: How do I solve this problem? Exactly what do I do about this particular situation?

[35:47] And just certain.

[35:48] Sometimes you can be in there for. We did it quick.

[35:51] But you might be,

[35:53] you know, there for quite a few minutes before something comes to you.

[35:59] Andy Walker: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that. Okay, great. All right. Well, that’s brilliant. Thank you so much for. For that exercise. That’s great. I wanted to talk real brief,

[36:08] give you a kind of an opportunity to. To talk about how people can reach out to you, connect with you.

[36:13] I imagine awakening your psychic ability. That’s your book. It’s available at Amazon and all fine bookstores everywhere, I would imagine.

[36:19] Lisa Campion: Yeah. Yes, it is. Yeah.

[36:21] Andy Walker: And how else would you like. If people wanted. If you want people to reach out, I think you do readings, you do classes. What. Tell us a little bit about what you offer.

[36:29] Lisa Campion: So I have. The best ways to get me is on my website, lisacambien.com and I teach Reiki, and I have psychic development classes of all kinds, from beginner, intermediate, advanced, and even pro, if you wanted to go become a pro psychic.

[36:43] I have a YouTube channel with a lot of cool free information.

[36:46] I have my own podcast called the Miracle of Healing,

[36:49] but all of that can be found on my website, lisakampion.

[36:53] Andy Walker: Com lisacampion.com okay, well, we’ll put that link on the show notes, a little bit of bio there,

[36:58] some links to Amazon, to your, that book. And I think you wrote a book called the Arc of Psychic Reiki as well, right? That was your first.

[37:05] Lisa Campion: That’s right, yeah. The Art of Psychic Reiki. And then I wrote one for empaths called Energy Healing for Empaths.

[37:11] Andy Walker: Oh, very good. All right, we’ll put links to all those publications. How wonderful. I just downloaded the audio version of Awaking youg Psychic Ability, and I gotta tell you, I’m loving it.

[37:21] I love it.

[37:21] Lisa Campion: Oh, good. How’s it going to hear it?

[37:24] Andy Walker: Yeah, I know it’s really well written and it’s really easy to listen to and I walk every day. That’s how I get my exercise. And I’ll plug in a book. So that’s going to be.

[37:33] My next few walks are going to be all about listening to your brilliance in that book. So thanks for writing that because thanks.

[37:41] Lisa Campion: For reading my book.

[37:42] Andy Walker: Oh, yeah, my pleasure, my pleasure. Very good. All right, well, thanks for being with us today. Now you’re going to stick around for a few more minutes for our Woo Biz plus members.

[37:51] So we’re going to jump in to that shortly. But for everybody else, thanks so much for being with us today. But in the meantime, don’t forget, this is Woo Biz.

[37:59] My name is Andy Walker and stay in the woo.

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